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Mary Ellen Nordyke-Grace appears to have been born on September 30th 1953.
She is the eldest daughter of the late Eleanor Nordyke.
Evidently in the 1960’s she (Mary), somewhere between the ages of 7 thru 16, traveled internationally, and on more than one occasion, with her family on what she calls family camping trips abroad.
She said so herself at the Stanford University website:
My degree in French reflected a love of international travel fostered by family camping trips abroad in the ’60s…
That’s an excerpt from the alumni profile of Mary Ellen Nordyke-Grace (BA ’75 French, BS ’77 CEE). The link to the profile is now nonfunctional:
http://soe.stanford.edu/alumni/profiles/grace.html
However, the page was archived (June 19th 2010) at the Wayback Machine:
Alumni Profile of Mary Ellen Nordyke-Grace
Did Eleanor Nordyke and her family, including her daughter Mary, travel to Kenya or anywhere else Africa in the early 1960’s?
We already know (see yesterday’s report, PN-1) that Eleanor Nordyke traveled to Africa in the 1950’s. She even worked in an African country, Morocco (called the French Protectorate in Morocco back at the time when Eleanor was first there).
In August 1961 when Barack Obama was born in Mombasa, Kenya the young Mary Nordyke (Eleanor’s daughter) would have been seven (7) years old (almost 8).
In 1961 the Nordykes and Stanley Ann Dunham were both living in Honolulu, Hawaii.
Mary’s father, Dr. Robert Allan Nordyke, had joined the Straub Clinic (Hospital) in Honolulu, Hawaii on April 11, 1960 (photo below is from 1958):
We even know where the Nordykes lived in Honolulu, Hawaii because in 1986 their house was listed in the National Register of Historic Places. The house is now called the R.N. Linn House (also known as the Robert A. and Eleanor C. Nordyke Residence). The Nordykes bought the place in 1960.
2013 Kakela Drive in Honolulu, Hawaii (check out the Obama bumper sticker!):
Did the Nordykes assist Stanley Ann Dunham with her travel to Kenya in 1961?
Did the Nordykes themselves (or at least some of them, including Mary) travel to Kenya or anywhere else in Africa in 1961?
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Leave it to birthers to smear the memory of dead people with complete speculation.
The “born in Kenya” story is the height of the loony side of the birther movement. It is based on alleged birth certificates, like that of Lucas D. Smith, and falsifications–such as the claim that Obama’s Kenyan grandmother said that he was born in Kenya—when she actually said right on the same tape that he was born IN HAWAII, and she said in another interview that the first that her family in Kenya had heard of Obama’s birth was in a letter FROM HAWAII.
Lucas D. Smith claimed that he went to Kenya and got Obama’s birth certificate at a hospital in Mombasa. But Lucas D. Smith has constantly refused to show proof that he, Smith, had ever gone to Kenya. All that he would have to do would be to show a Kenya stamp on a page of a passport, but Lucas D. Smith has refused to do that, constantly, and he has also constantly refused to say why he will not show that proof.
Re: “The “born in Kenya” story is the height of the loony side of the birther movement. It is based on alleged birth certificates, like that of Lucas D. Smith…”
2 questions for Ellen.
When did Lucas Smith 1st present the Kenyan Birth Certificate?
When were the 1st reports for Obama being born in Kenya?
Question for Rambo:
When will your family have you formally committed?
BobJ wrote:
I’m already committed……………..to riding roughshod over Obot ignorance & deceit. As an example: “What is a non sequiter, Alex”
@ Rambo Ike:
Rambo, thank you for the clever come back to BobJ, you brought a smile to my face and the words “right on” to my lips.
@ ellen:
POOR ELLEN HAS HER HEAD SO FAR UP HER AXX THAT SHE NEEDS A PLASTIC WINDOW IN HER ABDOMEN TO SEE WHERE SHE IS GOING . ANYONE WHO EXAMINES THE KENYAN BIRTH DOCUMENT FOR obummer CAN PLAINLY SEE ALL THE ACCURATE DATA FOR A BIRTH , INCLUDING MOTHER , FATHER , DOCTOR , WITNESS AND HOSPITAL ADMINISTRATOR . HOW DO YOU IMAGINE ANY HOSPITAL WOULD HAVE ALL THIS INFO IF IT IS NOT TRUE ?
WHO THE HELL DO YOU THINK YOU ARE THAT LUCAS WOULD SHOW YOU A PASSPORT OR OTHER DOCUMENT TO PROVE ANYTHING ?????
@ AMERICAN ADVOCATE:
Exactly, your comment hits the bull’s eye. I agree with you totally.
@ Rambo Ike:
Another classic cultural reference passed you by?
You seem to have a home in the blog of birther deceit.
LLDS likes to give photos of passports; but none that could prove his claim.
Wonder why?
BobJ wrote:
And lets not forget some of these videos I’ve seen posted. Ones that quite plainly do not illustrate whatever point he is trying to make. Including a couple which were purported as relating to him. It all smacks of misdirection. The man can’t seem to answer a straight yes/no question, that comes from one of his skeptics. He only ever seems to address his chorus, those who agree with him.
Langolier wrote:
I don’t understand. Can you please cite a couple of examples so that I can try to answer whatever it is that you are talking about?
Like that one that was supposed to be “your” extradition hearing, but it clearly was not.
Langolier wrote:
It was my one of my extradition (to Kenya) hearings.
I have a number of Youtube videos and if you have some gripes with this particular one then all I can tell you is that I can’t make every single video in the way that every single person wants it to be. I just report the facts.
He hasn’t produced ny hard evidence of any extradition. Hence the lack of him standing in such a video, or being mentioned by name for any alleged crimes. He does however have outstanding warrants in the USA. Thats why he hides out in the D.R.
BobJ wrote:
BobJ wrote:
Is this some kind of Obot doublespeak, code-talk, or gibberish by you and langolier? It doesn’t make any sense.
What “classic culture reference”?
What “home in blog of of birther deceit”? Is that in reference to here and/or Birther Report?
Lucas gives photos of passports that doesn’t prove his claim? What photos & what claim? Isn’t that something that you should direct to Lucas?
Were you on planet earth when you typed those statements? I think you’ve taken 1 too many trips and it’s starting to show.
Maybe it was meant as another diversion to cover for Ellen. I think you know she’s been peddling a Big Lie in here for more than a year.
@ Rambo Ike:
You are the Big Lie. Or you are the Big Liar. Pick one and wear it with pride, Ike.
The original records nonsense you continue to spew, in spite of being shown how wrong you are, is your worst tell. Are you merely stupid or just a bad liar? Lawyers show you to be wrong about the law, yet you push ahead with your stupidity. French speakers tell you that you are wrong regarding de Vattel, yet you push ahead ( and continue to misspell the name.). People with experience in vital records tell you that you are wrong, yet you push ahead. Common sense tells… well if you don’t get the idea by now then my Jeopardy joke will forever remain elusive to your simple mind.
Do you really not understand the term non sequitur? Maybe a dictionary will present itself to you someday. Or maybe you will read a newspaper where real news gets reported. Or maybe you will realize getting your GED on the third try is a great accomplishment, but you need a bit more education before your logical thinking ability comes into play. It is never too late, dumbass.
Birther lies are found here and at Gerbil central. Both have special lies for special believers. At this point, trusting in New Low or the POSFKBC are equally foolish, as both are equally outlandish in their claims of truth. Some people will believe anything. Your attempts to define hearsay is proof of that fact.
Ike, the thing is; anti-birthers don’t need to cover, or explain, for each other. We can all debunk independently. Anti-birthers know the 44th President was born in Hawaii. Birthers are like-minded, unpatriotic, crybaby, deviant sycophants who embrace whatever horseshit is presented by delusional wannabes, as long as it disparages the high elected office holder in America. Subub, Frank D. Marhall, Malcolm X, de Vattel, Mars, A. Nash diarrhea prose, CIA false flag, Born in Kenya, et al. Your small subset of crazies, misfits, and societal outliers can’t even produce a competent lawyer. 0 for 233: is that right?
All birthers are morons, liars, or racists. Which are you?
As for Smitty’s bullshit passport plot, it is the crux of his whole spiel. Haven’t you been paying attention? Not everything is about, or to, you; narcissistic attention whore.
@ Andrew Vrba, PmG:
Andrew Vrba, PmG wrote:
The adults that read here know that I have produced evidence that you Andy boy are in fact a RACIST sympathizer. That fact and the usurpers eligibily issue are not going away.
Larry Bland wrote:
Aside from crying “Racist” at people, what do you do here exactly?
@Bobj
I noticed that only one of Lucas’s supports actually discusses anything. The rest of them either cry “racist” or sling insults.
Langolier wrote:
I guess you must have an issue with RACISTS being called out and identified at this site. Take comfort in knowing that I intend to continue exposing the RACISTS like Andy boy at every opportunity. I can’t understand why the obots that post here have a problem with that.
Hmmm…
The Larry doth protest too much, methinks.
Langolier wrote:
That line from Hamlet was relevant when Shakespeare wrote it into the play in the 1600’s. 2014, related to comments here, not so much.
The meaning the phrase has taken on is very relevant though. You are vehement that a poster is a “racist” or a “racist sympathizer”. Never attacking his talking points, never offering a proper rebuttal outside of “OMG you are such a racist!!!”.
It isn’t terribly unlike those politicians who very loudly and repeatedly, decry a particular thing, only for it to come to light later, that they themselves are involved in that exact activity! I won’t be at all surprised if you’re the real racist here. But I wouldn’t dream of wasting time responding to every post you make, by repeating that claim.
@ Larry Bland:
Larry,
You are the one who has written the racist comment, that you rail against so moronically, more than anyone on this board.
You are trying to label people, erroneously, with bush league ambush tactics.
Your accusations are laughable because that is all you have ( laughable accusations).
Claiming victory and being victorious are two vastly different realities.
But you, like your hero Smitty, he LLDS, know that.
BobJ wrote:
I noticed that too! It was comment he made, that someone then quoted.
Langolier wrote:
Wrong again boys, I have said this before, reading does not cause eye disease.
The racist comment was not made by me. Most probably it was made by an obot (VOR) using a sock puppet which he is famous for to try and stir the pot. You would do well to go back and read the exchange before posting nonsense. This defense of the RACISTS here by proclaimed anti birther obots has to make the adults that post here wonder why.
“Most probably it was made by an obot…”
So, you’re not sure then. Are you sure that you don’t need to go back and re-read the exchange?
But hey, who needs facts and consistency, when being the boy who cried “racist” is so much easier? What a prat.
Langolier wrote:
The fact is that I proved Andy boy to be a RACIST sympathizer. Time and again you and other obots have come to his defense. Time and again I have asked why? No response from you or any other obot. You hypocrites must consider this RACIST sympathizer one of your own. What does that infer about you and your comrades?
I see you using the word “proved”, but you haven’t done that. You’ve made vague allusions to a thread which at best proves a poster agreed with another poster who quoted yet another poster, who made a remark that could be construed as racist. That’s not proof.
As for not refuting what you say, has it ever occurred to you, that your name calling and accusations of racism simply do not warrant a proper response? That’s a much more sensible explanation. Someone wanting to have a serious, or even semi-serious discussion isn’t going to pay much mind to the guy that’s doing nothing but crying “Hey! That guy is a racist! If you don’t agree with me, then you’re a racist too!”
To steer the conversation back on course. The misuse of words like “proof”, “proven” and “proved”, illustrates why birther arguments never hold up in a court of law, or to public scrutiny. None of this stuff that Lucas has been posting would be admissible as evidence in a court of law.
Langolier wrote:
Proper response? Hmmmmm, perhaps you could peruse a Stephen King work of fiction and come up with some type of response. You adamantly persist on defending Andy boy and his RACIST sympathies. Does that make you a RACIST too? Perhaps!
Your only “proof” that anyone on this board is a racist involves your “whisper down the lane” interpretation of a conversation, that didn’t even unfold the way you claim it did. It all hinges on how you misread it. You even admitted that you weren’t sure who said what.
Langolier wrote:
You sir are a liar. The exchange is here in black and white. Besides being a fabrication your post is nonsensical. You are on the wrong side of this RACISM issue with Andy boy. In this country today any type of RACISM or RACIST sympathy no matter how small or minor has to be exposed so that in can be eliminated. In addition to being a liar you sir are a hypocrite. You cannot be an obot anti birther and defend RACISM. So tell us the adults that read here, which are you? I wonder why you much like Andy boy refuse to answer this all important defining question.
Think hard about that, Larry. You’re a birther, and many of your compatriots are racists. So, if anyone has ties to racism and bigotry, it would be you.
Like I said before, you protest too much. You don’t want people looking at you going “No, YOU are the one who sympathizes with racists!”, but you are. You’ve posted on Birther Report, siding with them. Those are YOUR people. That makes YOU the racist sympathizer.
Langolier wrote:
Nonsense, that is as crazy as saying that because Andy boy posts on Dr. Con everybody there is a RACIST sympathizer. Get real, wake up. Your posts get crazier and crazier as we go along and you still refuse to denounce RACISM. Whats up with that? Then you have the gall to try and point the racist finger at me. Amazing!
@ Larry Bland:
Maybe you should take your advise Larry.
Here is a hint. In the bracketed sentence [ You are the one who has written the racist comment, that you rail against so moronically, more than anyone on this board.] the commas are parenthetic. Your basic reading comprehension is really bad. Punctuation matters.
Maybe you are Larry Young, maybe not. But you have used the racists term the most. Hence you are the racist, Larry Bland.
Own it.
BobJ wrote:
Another nonsense post. You resist denouncing RACISM at all costs, I wonder why? Curious!
Question for you Bobby boy, is langolier another of your sock puppets? Did you error and put in BobJ rather than langolier? You are sooooooooooooo simple! VOR would not be happy with you.
BobJ wrote:
???
You mean advice.
@ BobJ:
Here is a hint for you Bobby boy. Don’t post a comment when I have aggravated you. I know that the constant beating is hard on a person like you that features themselves as an intellectual. These posts are like bullets, once you pull the trigger you can’t call it back. Just a word to the wise. LOL!
Larry, I’m not a racist. But you cannot make that same claim. You’re a birther, and birtherism’s ties to racism, and other equally offensive forms of bigotry are undeniable.
If you were against racism, you would be chiding your fellow birthers. But you don’t do that. You instead point fingers at people who call Lucas out on his bullshit, and cry “racist” at them, in an effort to shut them up. Until you can admit that you are sympathetic to racism, sexism, religious persecution and homophobia, I have nothing more to say to you.
Inspector Smith wrote:
Thanks for correcting the intellectual Mr. Smith. LOL!
@ Langolier:Wise decision Bobby Boy. Why continue to take the constant beating when you can turn tail and run much like Andy boy, VOR & ehancock.
Excellent catch LLDS. Did you catch the other errors in my post?
When will you shown a Kenyan visa from your passport?
I like when people point out my errors and mistakes. It is the only way to learn. We are all prone to errors and mistakes, especially when rushing to make a point. It takes nothing away from the substance of my comment.
No I am not Langolier, though I enjoyed the story. He/she does have a point, Larry. You are claiming someone is a racist because they quoted the racist comment of another. That is something you have continuously done for a year ( quoting the racist comment). You have never condemned Larry Young.
Why?
Ellen quoted Larry Young and you start your RACIST tangent directed at Ellen. Then, when others don’t condemn Ellen you call them racist sympathizers.
You remain a one trick fawn. Congratulations.
@ Larry Bland:
No one runs from a yapping Chihuahua. Larry Bland, the birther Chihuahua
Ellen took a powder!
It was Sept 12th when Ellen made her false claim. I posted a couple questions to help her in correcting it. Of course she has read it. BobJ tried to run interference and cover with alot of distortions & smearing accusations but that didn’t work. We’re left with the same ol’ Obot mode of operation:
A different day, oh what can we say,
“Another Obot runs away.”
Excuses plenty, smears galore,
Loss of integrity at their core.
And while we pondered on their lore,
The Raven harked “it’s forevermore.”
The problem for those that don’t understand is the belief that Obama was born in Kenya wasn’t based on a birth certificate. The media started reporting a Kenyan-birth when he ran for political office in Illinois. later we were to learn Obama himself claimed a Kenyan birth in the early 1990s when he submitted his Bio to his book agent for a promotional brochure.
Lucas, Bruce, and Carl might have something to add that I’ve overlooked.
@ BobJ:I can see from your reply that you are not only a liar & a hypocrite you are also NOT a man of your word.
Rambo Ike wrote:
Sources?
Larry Bland wrote:
What are you babbling about Chihuahua?
If you think I am someone else on this comment board, you are mistaken. Of course, you are used to that.
@ Larry Bland:
Here is a copy and paste of the racist bullshit you have been railing against, for over a year.
I leave it to rational people to investigate.
Question: Donald Young, Larry Young and Larry Bland: what do they have in common?
Larry Young says:
June 13, 2013 at 11:03 am
The bigger question is, did a mudsharking slut go to Kenya in 1961?
ehancock says:
June 13, 2013 at 12:34 pm
@ Larry Young:
Re: “The bigger question is, did a mudsharking slut go to Kenya in 1961?”
Answer. No. In fact, we do not know that she had a passport in 1961. We Do know that it was very rare for pregnant women to travel late in pregnancy in 1961—-so it would have been very rare. We also know from INS records that only 34 people went to Kenya from the USA in 1961 and only 21 people came from Kenya to the USA—so it would have been extremely unlikely.
And we know that the Kenyan government has said that Obama was not born there and the Hawaiian government (officials of BOTH parties) has said that Obama was born in Hawaii—making a trip by Obama’s mother to Kenya even more unlikely. And we know from WND that Obama’s father stayed in the USA throughout 1961, so if Obama’s mother had gone to Kenya, she would have had to have traveled alone—which is even more unlikely.
Larry Young says:
June 13, 2013 at 12:59 pm
@ ehancock:
Why would you equate “mudsharking slut” with the Presidents mother? Thats RACIST! You should be ashamed of yourself. You have defined your credibility at this site.
ehancock says:
June 13, 2013 at 3:00 pm
Re: “Why would you equate “mudsharking slut” with the Presidents mother?”
Because, duh, this site is about the claim that Obama was born in Kenya, which BTW is not true.
Voice of Reason says:
June 13, 2013 at 3:31 pm
Ehancock, trying to use logic against birthers, without the use of hand puppets, isn’t recommended. It just goes right over their head.
Larry Bland says:
June 13, 2013 at 4:16 pm
@ ehancock:
Exposing people like you and voice of reason (Kurt Coleman) as the vile RACIST that you are is almost to easy.
BobJ wrote:
This is why I’ve called you SlowBob, and stated you’re comprehension-impaired. You show all the signs of having a major malfunction in your mind’s memory (RAM). ~Grin~
Everyone that has followed the births issues with Obama knows about the numerous media reports that started in 2004 when he ran for political office in Illinois calling him Kenyan born. You seem to be the exception.
The Kenyan Ambassador to the United States claimed Obama was born in Kenya, and a minister to the Kenyan National Assembly during one of their session also said so.
Obama’s Bio that he sent in 1991 to his Literary Agent for a promo booklet states he was born in Kenya. That was reported along with the evidence by Breitbart in 2012.
A good number of sites have put up the list over the past 6 years. Do some research then maybe you’ll retain it in your memory – if that’s possible.
BobJ wrote:
A year ago I did paste up some racist accusations in this forum that Ehancock & Andrew Vrba were peddling on Obot sites. They were similar to the false accusations you’ve made. That might be why Larry sees them as racist/racist sympathizers.
Taking a cue from their Dear Leader the Obama bootlickers have been peddling that Big Lie for 6 years.
BobJ wrote:
We don’t know that. How would anyone know that? Please cite your source.
Absolutely and categorically false. Even if the INS records were accurate, which they aren’t (and evidence has been supplied here), you haven’t cited them accurately.
The most glaring of your errors is your mistake in presenting data from the first half of 1961, Jan. thru June (and the second half of year 1960) as data for the entire year of 1961.
Moreover, Stanley Ann Dunham would have returned to the United States in August 1961 (which would not be included in Jan thru June, BEFORE OBAMA II WAS EVEN BORN).
Furthermore, the 34 US Citizen that say went to Kenya in 1961 are in fact the numbers that the INS says arrived from Kenya in the first half of 1961 (and last half of 1960).
The 21 people (citizens and aliens) that you say arrived in the United States from Kenya in 1961 is really the stats for the second half of 1961 (not the entire year 1961) and the first half of 1962.
You’ve got the data screwed in so many ways.
Lastly, lets not forget that the INS records fail to record hundreds of Kenyans who traveled from Kenya to the United States. Examples: 1. hundreds of Kenyan Students 2.Tom Mboya, assassinated Kenyan political leader 3. Barack Obama, Sr.
Comments like yours are part of the reason why long ago I stopped replying to comments here at the WOBIK blog.
On September 17, 2014 at 9:58 am in this thread above BobJ (aka SlowBob) presented a long spiel of false and smearing accusation. Over the next few days as time will allow I’ll correct them so people will know the truth.
BobJ is not the sharpest knife in the drawer, and if you’ve followed his comments for any length of time you might of caught on to a little scam he has been running on a number of blog sites. Depending on the issue he moves back & forth between his support for Obama & the office of the presidency. When it comes to anything with the military he moves away from Obama and claims he doesn’t support him, only the office, and then moves back on other issues, usually the birther issues, where he shows himself to be on his knees in slavish worship at Obama’s Altar.
BobJ: “The original records nonsense you continue to spew, in spite of being shown how wrong you are, is your worst tell.”
How am I wrong? I asked the same question to both Birthers & Obots. The question: Give me a list of the original records Obama has released. Neither side could list any released, but the Birthers did give me a extra-long list of the most important original records that are being kept hidden from the American people.
BobJ: “Lawyers show you to be wrong about the law, yet you push ahead with your stupidity.”
I’m assuming this is in reference to Historian Dude and the Hearsay Rule. I didn’t disagree with him and stated “thx for the info.” Butttt, it’s still Hearsay until incontrovertible proof is presented to back it up, and when that happens it’s no longer regarded as Hearsay, Duh!
I have to be careful with Historian Dude. He has a history of distorting my comments when he replies to me. It makes it tough when trying to understand the many details on the different issues. In comparison to some of the others here is a very mild one from Reality Check Blog:
Ike: In my research I’ve found there to be 3 classifications of citizenship. The 1st one has expired. It was a granted citizenship to those born prior to the ratification of the Constitution. Another was Naturalization. A 3rd class is … born citizen that had more than 1 type of which natural born citizen would be one of them.
Historian Dude (Obot): You have ham handedly avoided the question, Ike. You claim to have found 3, but then you list at least four. Certainly you are not so innumerate as to be unable to count higher than 3. Are you?
BobJ: “French speakers tell you that you are wrong regarding de Vattel, yet you push ahead ( and continue to misspell the name.).”
I’m assuming on this one you are referring to Lupin the French socialist who claims to be 30 year lawyer and an expert of Emer de Vattel. I don’t believe Lupin is the expert he claims to be. You’d think an expert would of known when the 2nd edition of Vattel’s The Law of Nations was published. Also, due to a recent comment by Lupin, he might not be a French citizen living in France.
I’ve found through reading the different positions on de Vattel and his book The Law of Nations what attorney Apuzzo has presented to be more believable.
(Continued later)
@ Rambo Ike:
Meet skeptic (Obot BobJ) Bob Jones
Lucas Daniel Smith wrote:
You quoted someone else.
I never wrote that.
Are you really that stupid, LLDS?
@ Rambo Ike:
Your best sucks Ike.
That was sad.
Fucking sad.
Your children will be embarrassed, sad.
Good job.
Rambo Ike wrote:
would have
how stupid are you?
@ Rambo Ike:
You assume.
You think.
Understand?
@ BobJ:
Lets see you think. Put on your deerstalker, Sherlock. Can you figure out the problem with the following comment from Lupin?:
Lupin: “There seems to be some evidence judging from the Digest of American Law: Notes and comments (1824) that Jefferson might also have been granted French citizenship, but I can’t find any French sources to confirm it (so far). This means that two — possibly three — of our presidents were French citizens during their mandates: Washington (1789-97), Jefferson (?) (1801-09) and certainly Madison (1809-17), who was elected as a dual citizen.”
Maybe it was just a freudian slip of a suppressed desire?
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Ike- Honorary French citizenship is purely a symbolic honor. The recipient does not take the Oath of Citizenship and thus does not receive any rights, privileges, or duties typically held by a French citizen.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_people_granted_honorary_French_citizenship_during_the_French_Revolution
Lupin: “These were not “honorary citizenship”, because we have no such thing in France (unlike the US which has indeed conferred Honorary Citizenship upon many worthy people including, I believe, Mother Teresa.) Therefore, there would have been no need or any requirement for any of these people to travel to France and swear an oath.”
Ike- Lupin claims 3 of America’s first 4 presidents were French citizens. Researching French Citizenship:
Acquiring French Citizenship: “You must live in France for at least two years (for foreign students of a French university), five years (for other foreigners), be married to a French national for at least one year, or have a child with a French national to be eligible for citizenship. Dual citizenship has been permitted since 1973.”
Obviously that would eliminate any of America’s presidents from being dual citizens of France prior to 1973
Continuing with the corrections to BobJ’s spiel of false & smearing accusations he presented on September 17, 2014 at 9:58 am in this thread.
BobJ: “People with experience in vital records tell you that you are wrong, yet you push ahead.”
On this one I gather you’re referring to Dr Con? He stated that from experience he knew there was fraud in vital records. Doing a search on Birth Certificate Fraud I found it’s a big business in the underworld. Here’s a couple articles to give you an idea:
http://oig.hhs.gov/oei/reports/oei-07-99-00570.pdf
http://www.documentsecurityalliance.com/forms/Birth_Certificate_Paper.pdf
BobJ: “Do you really not understand the term non sequitur?”
Yes, I understand that term but I couldn’t find a definition for your new term “non sequiter”.
(Continued later)
@ Rambo Ike:
Actually Ike, your links give more credibility to the President’s birth narrative. Hawaii has only one issuing agency, his B.C is not delayed or amended. He was not delivered by a mid-wife in Texas. The Hawaii Department of Health has verified his birth multiple times. There are contemporary newspapers announcements and an entry in the Hawaiian birth index for his birth.
None of this is about a physical birth certificate. The state agency charged with the keeping and maintaining of vital records affirms the President’s birth record. Unless you can find evidence that the State of Hawaii is lying, there is no controversy.
@ BobJ:
The links I gave show there is a major problem with identity fraud.
The short answer without going into details: There’s controversy there but someone bootlicking for Obama will never recognize it.
You’ve been around long enough and have read the details from both sides.
Rambo Ike wrote:
That response stated nothing. I do not deny birth certificate fraud. Those links are very clear about the problems, the causes of those problems, and ways to solve those problems.
Nothing in the links provides evidence that the birth in Hawaii of the President involves fraud. Nothing.
Unless you are accusing Dr. Chiyome Fukino, director of the Hawaii State Department of Health in 2008, or Dr. Alvin T. Onaka, the Registrar of Vital Statistics for the State of Hawaii, of a crime.
If you can, do so.
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