Video recording inside the courthouse (April 21, 2o14) here in Santo Domingo is typically not permitted but we were able to record a small segment during the hearing. A police officer, who claims that he is International Police (all of the judges, there are 3 judges, and just about everyone in the courtroom got an extended laugh out that!), is being interviewed by the Government.
The video cuts off when a women in the courtroom got up from her seat (you can see her get up) and in doing so drew attention to the camera man (who was trying to be discreet). However, you can tell by the way that the policeman is being question that the attorney is starting to sense that something is not right. In the video the attorney asks how long that the policeman has been working as a policeman and where exactly does he work. The answers received, and the tone of voice used, indicate to the court that there is now, without doubt, something very odd and bizarre. The Court now begins to ‘play along’ (much the way that attorney Collins is, and has been, playing along) when asking additional, almost silly questions.
After the camera cuts off the court asks the policeman who it is that he works for. The policeman states that he is “Policia Internacional” or International Police. He goes on to state he was tasked with serving an international arrest warrant, from the country Kenya, on Lucas Daniel Smith.
There were a lot of laughs in the courtroom (and I made a point to laugh some too). The judges, there are three (3) of them, set the next extradition hearing date for June 26th, 2014:
It also appears, or at least online, that I have a warrant for my arrest in Cedar Rapids, Iowa.
Viewing online records at the official “Iowa Courts Online” website it appears that the warrant was issued on July 15, 2o13. Just to be clear, that was over nine (9) months ago.
Ii appears that I missed payments of restitution. The new bond is set at $2000 US dollars…..not exactly something that they extradite a person for when they are outside of the United States. Moreover, many charges, depending on the severity are not extraditable from outside of the state, outside of states which border the state or sometimes outside of the region of the country, e.g., Midwest.
Furthermore, it is not a felony (even though its lists it that way on the police wanted list). I think the reasoning behind that, or where the error comes from, is that I plead guilty in the felony case, in 2012, but in a plea agreement which would mitigate the felony to that misdemeanor. which was originally a felony. I was sentenced to a few days and restitution and self-probation. The criminal case itself was initiated in 2010 and the case was well documented online, by myself, at scribd.com:
State of Iowa vs Lucas Daniel Smith. FECR 90875. – http://www.scribd.com/collections/3256056/State-of-Iowa-vs-Lucas-Daniel-Smith-FECR-90875
There are fifteen documents in the folder, all of which were uploaded at various time during the prosecution of the case. What I found out by doing that is that its not very wise to do that if you happen to have a band of enemy armchair scholars who follow your every move online. Throughout the entire case I did not have an attorney and I defended myself, Pro se, from initial appearance to sentencing. One of the unique facets of having at it inPro se is that you are able to speak directly with County attorney (the guy who represents that State, the prosecuting attorney). The Office of the County Attorney indicated that they received a copious and profuse number of calls from individuals stating that I was a fraud-man who peddles fake Barack Obama birth certificates and that I should be in places in prison for many years. There were also accounts of other supposed crimes given to County Attorneys Office, none of which, at least that I know of, have ever been validated.
In any event, the case itself was, from the beginning, a “Show me the man and I’ll find you the crime” (as the Soviets put it). Perhaps attorney Loren Collins can validate that quote (he has what seems to be an obsessive penchant for verifying quotations, except for Hemingway’s).
Regarding the “Most Wanted” thing, I don’t know. I didn’t even know Cedar Rapids had such a thing. I looked at the entire list (its more than just me and other guy) and there is a guy on there for failing to show up to court for public intoxication (i.e., drinking in public)…..very serious stuff (not really, I’m only being sarcastic). Cedar Rapids is a small city and that may explain the “petty crimes” on the “most wanted.” Most of the serious crime nowadays (mid-1990s to present) is committed my Chicago natives who the federal and state governments have been relocating to Cedar Rapids for the last 20 years (and increasingly so in the last several years).
Directly below is a screen shot of the probation violation, warrant and bond (btw, I was outside of the United States when the warrant was issued):
I’m still waiting for attorney Loren Collins to draft a contract so that he can provide me with legal services, aide and advocacy regarding my pending extradition to Kenya. The first official public record of request for extradition to Kenya has already been published online some time ago. I am not going to provide attorney Loren Collins with any further tangible documentation until at which time we enter into an attorney-client contract. At this point I, and others, are concerned that Collins may not be sincere and his offer might may not have been even-handed. However, I am still willing to accept his legal help. Waiting for Loren…
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why don’t I hear the words “Lucas”, “Extradition”, “Daniel”, “Smith”, “Kenya”, in that video ?
Just entering any public Court hearing in SD won’t do it. We need your YOUR case.
Greatkim,
Ever notice how many prominent birthers have either been in, or are in hot water with the law? Th oned who arent are usually “retired this” or “ex that”.
Lucas,
Thanks for the update.
It’s good to know that your ‘Extradition to Kenya’ is apparently not ‘imminent’ (though it most definitely COULD HAVE BEEN, IMO) and that your second hearing on the matter is not till June 26th.
That gives a little more time for:
(1) You and your legal representation to prepare the strongest case possible for your defense against extradition to Kenya.
(2) Lead Inspector Mike Zullo and the entire Arpaio Team to present their criminal case regarding matters associated with Kenyan-born Obama to the American public. I believe the wide knowledge and acceptance of the presented information can be used to significantly strengthen your position in the eyes of the DR court.
Lucas,
Re: “The first official public record of request for extradition to Kenya has already been published online some time ago.”
Where’s this record? You haven’t posted it. If you do that would send the naysayers to oblivion.
Rambo Ike wrote:
It was online for a few weeks. The link is:
http://www.scribd.com/doc/215153480/2014-Lucas-Daniel-Smith-extradition-to-Kenya-files-document-1
However, I took down the document two days ago at he request of legal counsel.
The naysayers saw it.
How convenient that the remarks related to He, Lucas Daniel Smith, are supposedly after the recording ceases and also that the request for extradition has now been “taken down” on “advice of counsel”. So why are you still seeking counsel if you have engaged legal representation?
Lucas is full of conveniences. Like never showing (even forged) proof of ever setting foot in Kenya.
@ realist:
I didn’t see the document, but if Loren Collins, and the drama queens at Dr Con’s propaganda site seen it, as Lucas pointed out, then all this mindless chatter from the naysayers should cease.
@ Rambo Ike:
Rambo Ike wrote:
The document Smith posted was redacted, conveniently obscuring all the details necessary for it to be independently verified.
@ bob:
If what you say is true that the details were redacted then Lucas tried to pull a fast one on me. So there has been nothing posted by Lucas to prove his claim of extradition to Kenya?
This is how the Obots I’ve dealt with operate.
I don’t think you appreciate the full import of this new revelation. I made it abundantly clear that before I could represent you I needed to see documentation on the case for several reasons, one of which was that I needed to know upfront what, if any, deadlines were currently imposed.
Instead of providing anything I asked for, you proffered me a contract to sign, less than 24 hours before a hearing that you apparently already KNEW was happening. And you didn’t inform me of the hearing, or provide me with any documentation of the hearing, or provide me with any information by which I might easily learn of it. It’s like agreeing to take on a criminal defendant’s case, only to THEN discover that there’s a trial in 48 hours. That is why signing the contract BEFORE being provided with essential information is a backwards way of doing things.
So the news of this hearing and one in June only strengthens my resolve that we couldn’t possibly enter into any arrangement until I’m provided with, at the bare MINIMUM, the basic case information (caption, case number, court notices of *all* upcoming deadlines, the outcome of yesterday’s hearing and the purpose of June’s, the current counsel you referenced, etc.). If I have to, I’ll just contact the court directly to get that information. The fact that you’ve provided these two hearing dates, and that one of them was only just yesterday (I feel assured yours was the only extradition-to-Kenya case that had a hearing yesterday), should make it easy for the court to provide me with that info, including confirming any deadlines that I would need to know about. Once they’ve confirmed all of that for me, we might be able to talk contract.
@ Loren:
Please get to work as soon as possible, Loren. I would like to be able trust that you are, and have been, being sincere in your offer of legal services, aide and advocacy. Please draft the contract asap. I am not going to supply you with any additional tangible documentation and until you and I have a written and signed agreement. I hope that you are not trying to now back out.
Bruce wrote:
You are very welcome. I am grateful that I have until June 26 until the next hearing. I am going to be spending A LOT of time reading and researching. I also plan on writing several letters to government officials and the media.
I am sure that will work every bit as well as when you sent certified letters to every member of Congress using OPM.
Now who could have predicted Lucas would weasel his way out of accepting Loren’s offer? I am shocked I tell you.
LDS is the Derpmaster. Loren just told him “Hey! You didn’t come through on your end! I can’t do this for you!” and then LDS is all like “Get to work, Kthxbai!”
What we have here is a failure to communicate. 😆
Lucas Daniel Smith wrote:
If you’d like things to move quickly, then you can provide the paperwork I said I needed three days ago. And if you’d like to refuse to cooperate and provide absolutely nothing except a one-minute video, then don’t complain about the delay. You can’t do both.
Fortunately, I know a handful of native Spanish-speakers who can help me out. After I have one of them translate your video tomorrow so I can have the benefit of the policeman’s testimony, I’ll see about having them write or call the court. How long that takes is obviously contingent on how long it takes the Dominican court to provide the information I need about your case. Hopefully that’ll be just a few days; like I said before, it really shouldn’t be that hard for them to find a file they held a hearing about this week.
There’s really nothing more I can add to this conversation until I get that information. I’ll let you know when I get the court’s reply. And if that’s not fast enough for you, then you know what you can do to speed things up.
Rambo Ike wrote:
Nothing indicates that Kenya is trying to extradite him.
The American Embassy is very close to the Palacio Policia Nacional. You Need to visit both ASAP. Visit the embassy before you enter the police headquarters. Both are 15 min motorbike ride form where you live in Cristo Rey. Hurry !
Am I seeing things, or did Rambo Ike there actually DOUBT Lucas’s story there for a moment?
Andrew Vrba, PmG wrote:
I have long considered Rambo Ike to be a deep cover obot playing the ‘good cop’ role while cleverly attempting to undermine support for Lucas in many subtle ways.
DocC has just posted on The Fogbow (http://www.thefogbow.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=25&t=2289&view=unread#p605380):
@ Arthur B.:
?????
The information regarding extradition was also posted 4/23/2014 by Dr. Conspiracy on his ‘Obama Conspiracy Theories’ website under the title, ‘Smith safe!‘
WARNING: Site is not birther friendly
fantastic news !
@ Bruce:
Wow, praise be to Allah! Your money was well spent Bruce. Just like the $3000 grand you kicked in to send all those certified letters to Congress. Doesn’t it make you feel proud to see your money spent in such fruitful endeavors?
@ Emmor Oyde:
Well obviously I didn’t mean $3000 grand because that would be like $3 million dollars but gosh darn a great patriot like Lucas deserves that much doesn’t he Bruce?
SMITH SAFE????
US Embassy in Santo Domingo???
This is another example of Americans not knowing (or basing everything they believe on movie) how things work in outside of the United States.
I will report again tomorrow.
We await with “baited” breath. Will it be another video that has nothing to do with the subject or a heavily redacted document referring to another document that we can’t see?
Yeah who better to know about how things work in the DR than a con artist who fails dramatically in the US and instead tries to strike out in the sex tourism industry in DR.
Yes a US Embassy in Santo Domingo
http://santodomingo.usembassy.gov/acs-e.html
But hey what would the US Government know about their own citizen?
Give it up Lucas you got caught lying. The video you posted has nothing to do with you but rather someone else who was a police officer, upholsterer among other trades. Extradiction, Lucas Smith, Kenya are never mentioned at all in the video.
Word to Bruce, you’re being played again.
Lucas Daniel Smith wrote:
Says the absolute dumbshit, who has been caught in lie after lie.
@ Andrew Vrba, PmG:
Now Andrew let’s not be so hard on the poor lad in his moment of great celebration at having this terrible extradition thing that was hanging over his head removed. I can’t wait for his outpouring of gratitude to Loren for getting this handled so quickly. Why he made it disappear so fast it is like it never happened.
Loren did all this with almost no cooperation at all from his almost client so I am sure Lucas will make amends by giving credit where credit is due.
There is literally NO excuse Smith can come up with at this point, that will hold any water. He has painted himself into a corner. You’ll notice his usual defenders are being very quiet. They’re probably asking themselves: “If he’s lying about all this, then why should we believe any of his “evidence” about Obama?”
Gee golly, Smith. You sure are awful quiet today.
Whats the matter? Did the rapid debunking of your lies blindside you that badly?
@ Andrew Vrba, PmG:
No, its called having a job, a 9 to 5.
Last week in the Dominican Republic was Semana Santa. Most government jobs are off for the entire week as well as many in the pri ate sector as well. I had the entire week off. This week I do work so I can’t publish blog reports around the clock. I am going to publish a 3-part series regarding the embassy/consulate and the email to Dr. Con. I will try to have part one up late tonight.
Well, everything else you say has been a lie, why should I believe a word of that? The only part of your post that rings true, is that you will try to post a multi-part excuse, trying to explain away all the lies you were caught in.
The following is a comment posted by Dr. Conspiracy on his website, Obama Conspiracy Theories, under the title: Smith safe!
WARNING: Site is not birther friendly.
http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2014/04/smith-safe/
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Dr. Conspiracy April 24, 2014 at 7:58 am …
Here it is:
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bob:
I’d love to see the letter written to the embassy that generated this wonderful response.
Hmmmmmm!
Well ‘bob’ — there’s your answer!
I think it helps greatly to explain the puzzling reply provided by the U.S. Embassy in Santo Domingo in response to Dr. Conspiracy’s inquiry.
The clever Dr. Con sure does know how to stack the deck in his favor.
—– Links to the WasObamaBornInKenya website in the inquiry, with the Embassy reporting to the Obama administration?
Nah – No bias introduced there! (extreme sarc)
Give me a freakin’ break!
Lucas Daniel Smith wrote:
If you had a job from 9 to 5 you wouldn’t be constantly trying to con people. Oh so you’re not facing extradition charges then? Lucas lied got caught and will need another day to make up another lie.
Lucas Daniel Smith wrote:
I suspect it will be another convoluted bullshit story much as the video you posted had nothing to do with your lie of an extradition claim.
Bruce wrote:
So now you’re accusing the US Embassy who would know if one of their US citizens was being extradited of some kind of bias against Lucas Smith? And what bias do you think that Cedar Rapids had against Lucas when they listed him as being wanted for crimes he committed while there? Lucas skipped out of town while on probation and your continued defense of a career criminal is hilarious.
Lucas Daniel Smith wrote:
So if most government jobs were off last week because of the holiday then the supposed hearing you claimed happened on April 21st was bullshit right?
I really do look forward to Lucas trying, and of course failing, to construct an excuse that magically makes this all somehow go away. Bruce there HAS to remain positive to the cause, as deep as he is in all this, he might as well be Smith’s accomplice in crime! Helping out a convicted forger, who is on the lam in two US states…that we know about. There might be MORE warrants out for his arrest. I’d wager that’s the main reason he hangs his hat in the Dominican Republic.
In the RD the Suprema Corte de Justicia has exlusive jursdiction over extradition proceedings. This means no other court is competent.
Codigo Procesual Penal de la Republica Dominicana,
http://www.consultoria.gov.do/leyes/Ley%20No.%2076-02%20que%20establece%20el%20C%F3digo%20Procesal%20Penal%20de%20la%20Rep%FAblica%20Dominicana.pdf
pls note art. 70 – Suprema Corte de Justicia –
point 6: del procedimento de solicitud de extradicion
also read art 170. Extradicion Activa (extraditions FROM RD)
also have a look at all extradition proceedings completed by the SCJRD
http://www.suprema.gov.do/consultas/jurisprudencia/consulta_decisiones_extradicion.aspx
Lucas is very lucky to have the unwavering support of someone like Bruce.
Note what Bruce wrote yesterday:
Bruce wrote:
See, Bruce has it all figured out. Doc sent the Embassy links to this blog, so that Embassy officials could see not only that an extradition hearing had taken place, but that knowledge of it was now widespread — the video was visible right here at the link cited.
So, obviously, under those circumstances, the only thing a sensible, Obama-controlled Embassy could do would be to deny that there was even any extradition going on, even though the evidence was right out here in the open.
Of course, issuing a false written statement would probably have been an illegal act on the part of the Embassy, and the falsehood was easy to expose because the matter is now so public.
But it was certainly in Obama’s interest for the Embassy to tell an obvious lie, because —
— well, maybe that part’s not so obvious. Bruce would you like to try to explain that again?
Notice how his Smith’s really preachy supporters are NOWHERE to be found?
Andrew Vrba, PmG wrote:
Maybe Smith’s sockpuppets “work” at the same 9-5 job as Smith.
@ Lucas’ Avenger:
Lucas’ Avenger: “I have long considered Rambo Ike to be a deep cover obot playing the ‘good cop’ role while cleverly attempting to undermine support for Lucas in many subtle ways.”
Yeah right. I get statements like that all the time. It doesn’t matter if it’s an Obot or Birther site you’re expected to fall in lockstep and not question what is being peddled. It doesn’t work that way with me. I put truth & solid factual evidence ahead of blind loyality.
I gave up on the Birther Report. Too many peddling theories and if you question them about it they get mad. Paranoia runs rampant there. They think i’m a plant, called me a Obot, said I’m stalking them and they would get me banned. Recently I’ve engaged the Obots at Reality Check This statement got their panties in a wad: “Every Obot that has replied to my comments here on RC’s blog have either told a bold-face lie or did some serious spinning of the facts to conceal the truth – no exceptions.” Now RC has his hand on the ban botton unless I conform to the lies. It’s pathetic what goes on there. One lies and then another takes over with spin to provide cover.
“Many subtle ways”? You’re using one fact out of dozens Obot ehancock (ellen) stated (most of it hearsay) that I agreed with.
bob: “The document Smith posted was redacted, conveniently obscuring all the details necessary for it to be independently verified. Nothing indicates that Kenya is trying to extradite him.”
Lucas knows what he needs to do to refute what bob is claiming.
In my opinion, based on their comments, both Bruce & Loren appear to be credible people.
I notice that you neglected to include Lucas in that list of “credible people”.
@ Andrew Vrba, PmG:
Re: Andrew Vrba, PmG, April 27, 2014 at 7:38 pm: “Foggy, it is a pleasure watching you work!”
Do you have any idea who you’re slobbering over? Foggy is the one who has been reported to have forged and distributed a fraudulent Kenyan birth certificate in August 2009. If he sent it through the mail he is possibly facing some serious jail time if someone presses charges against him.
Forgery:
Willful fabrication or alteration of a written document with the intent to injure the interests of another in a fraudulent manner. The crime may be committed even though the fraudulent scheme fails. The crime may also concern documents of title, e.g., birth certificates. In the United States forgery ordinarily is a state crime; but to send forged documents through the post office may constitute the federal crime of mail fraud.
The State Bar of California had to take disciplinary action against Foggy when he was practicing law based on his failure to provide his clients appropriate legal assistance. It also has been reported Foggy suffers from manic depression, and has a history of substance abuse.
He wears a communist cap, and spends his time making floral arrangements in a flower shop. Basically he has been a lifelong loser.
Thats a neat trick considering LDS was the forger. Foggy is great at duping birthers, and making them look foolish, but poorly made forgeries is LDS’s bag.
Sorry bud, it’s not a trick. While I’m typing this I’m also looking at a screen shot posted at Free Republic on June 13th, 2011 of what looks to be the Fogbow Forum where under the handle PJ Foggy, Foggy is admitting to sending through the mail from a Washinton DC zipcode, the fraudulent Bomford birth certificate to Neil Sankey, an investigator for Orly Taitz, some time in July 2009.
You might want to check with Loren Collins, an attorney who is posting here, who would know more about the law than I do. From what I’ve read this could possibly be some serious prison time for Foggy if those he sent it to decide to press charges against him.
We don’t know for sure if Lucas’s birth certificate is a forgery. We only know for sure that Foggy’s birth certificate is a fake. Keep in mind it was Obama who claimed he was Kenyan-born in 1991 and it stayed that way up to around the time he announced his candidacy for president. Prior to the announcement several media venues reported Obama was Kenyan-born.
And yet all signs point to Smith being the originator of the Kenyan certificate that he’s been waving around. BTW, do you mean the same Loren Collins who refuses to do a thing for Smith, until he comes clean?
@ Rambo Ike:
First Foggy didn’t forge anything. He participated in punking Orly Taitz. With a little research you could find out who made the Bombford BC but I am not going to help you. You are equating a punking with Smith’s POSFKBC, which he has been trying to pass off as legitimate for several years and even sell on eBay. The two are in no way equivalent.
Punking Orly Taitz is not a crime. Some might even consider it a patriotic duty.
@ IForgedNancyOwensBirthCertificate:
Pinpointing who actually forged the Bomford birth certificate depends on what site is reporting it. For example, LiveLeak titles their article “Meet ‘PJ Foggy,’ birth certificate fraudster”. Text of article:
“At the center of the network of Obama radical activists who forged and distributed a fraudulent Kenyan birth certificate in August 2009 was former California lawyer William L. Bryan.
Bryan posts as an Obama operative under the username “PJ Foggy” and lives in Raleigh, N.C., where he runs a flower shop.
Under the cover of his username, Bryan and his associates have engaged in an aggressive campaign to disrupt any and all attempts to pursue legal challenges to Obama’s eligibility, while seeking to ridicule in vile and abusive terms those who dare advance or support publicly such legal efforts.” [end]
Another site names him as the one who mailed it from the DC ZipCode, and claims him as the ring leader of this fraudulent activity.
I don’t think it’s important who made it. The serious crime committed is by the one who sent it through the mail. That’s not punking. It’s a federal offense that carries with it a possibility of a prison sentence.
Foggy should stick to playing with tulips & roses in the flower shop he works at.
@Rambo Ike
A few problems with your above comments. We’ll start with the easy one…President Obama never claimed to be born in Kenya. How exactly did the President “claim[] he was Kenyan-born in 1991 and it stayed that way up to around the time he announced his candidacy for president” when multiple aticles in 1990 annoucning his election as president of the Harvard Law Rewview cite is Hawaiian birth, as well as his autobiography published in 1995, as well as his state senate bio in 1999, and US Senate bio in 2005?
On to the question of forgery. Forgery requires an intent to drefraud someone of something they are legally entitled to. As the Bomford BC in no way was designed to defaud anyone of anything they were entitled, there can be no claim of forgery. As mail fraud requires an intent to defraud someone of something they are entitled to, then there likewise can be no mail fraud. Orly’s failure to do the proper due dilligence required by Rule 11 of the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure before filing a document to a court doesn’t raise things to fraud. She bares responsibility for her own failings. Mr. Smith, however, has repeatedly tried to use his “birth certificate” to make money. He tried to sell it on ebay. He tried to raise $30k to “prove” it was authentic. He continues to try to use it to make money. That is faud. So is creating fake extradition documents to milk more money out of a rube. See the difference? One is attempting to use a fake document to defraud someone, and take their money under false pretenses. The other is merely seeing how bad an attorney the other person is, and if they’ll fail to fulfill their Rule 11 requirements, and fully research their factual claims before filing documents with the court.
@ Andrew Vrba, PmG:
As an attorney Loren knows the evidence is the heart of any case. No one should be submitting fraudulent evidence. What Foggy did is very serious. The American people & their attorneys also have a right to bring the lawsuits without being imtimidated by the likes Foggy & his network of radical activists – shades of Ernst Rohm leading Hitler’s brownshirts.
The Kenyan birth belief started 18 years before Lucas came up with his birth certificate.
Andrew Vrba, PmGApril 28, 2014 at 1:29 pm: Poor birdboy, now he’s down to five!
You can add me to that list. I stand with Falcon 100%.
Take note that I’m just getting warmed up. There’s more to come on Foggy. Then there’s Dr Con & PattyDaPerv.
@ramboike
I am glad you are here to stand behind a currently wanted criminal, convicted forger, petty thief, and self admitted child molester . It gives you real “cred” when you go after the “obots”.
RamboIke, you’re all hat and NO cattle.
@ RamboIke
Foggy didn’t submit fraudulent evidence. That was done by Orly. And how exactly has any attorney been intimidated by Foggy or anyone else? Does someone have a persecution complex.
And again, what evidence exists that the, “Kenyan birth belief started 18 years before Lucas came up with his birth certificate”? You have one bio, written by the publishing company, that no one knew about until a year ago stating he was born in Kenya, versus several newspaper articles, his autobiography, and state and federal websites stating Hawaiian birth.
JoZeppy wrote:
Obama’s own book stated he was born in Hawaii. This claim is complete crap from rambo and he knows it.
@ JoZeppy:
1st to the forgery: What Foggy did was take part in the falsifying of a document. It involves altering, changing, or modifying a document for the purpose of deceiving another person. It can also involve the passing along of copies of documents that are known to be false.
http://www.legalmatch.com/law-library/article/falsifying-documents.html
Should the FBI be contacted? Maybe an agent is reading this and will make an arrest. ~grin~
You make my argument for me on where Obama was born. There has been conflicting claims that go back to his grade school days. His classmates reported that he told them he was a prince from Indonesia and of Kenyan royal blood. There have been many reports by individuals and in the media of a Kenyan birth and also a Hawaiian birth. Tingles Matthews said in 2007 Obama was born in Indonesia. Here’s some more:
http://www.wasobamaborninkenya.com/InspectorSmith/showthread.php/10-ARCHIVE-Obama-WAS-Born-in-Kenya-(B-Steadman)
Obama should be forced to have his records released.
“Should the FBI be contacted? Maybe an agent is reading this and will make an arrest. ~grin~”
Do it, pussy.
I mean it, Ike. Fucking do something. But no, you won’t. Birthers don’t act. They puff out their chests, then scurry back into their little spider holes when someone calls their bluff.
Funny but the only people fooled by the Bomford certificate were Birthers. It was like an IQ test.
Rambo Ike wrote:
So some unnamed web site makes a claim about Foggy. Does this unnamed web site have any actual evidence to back up its claim?
Again, for falsifying documents to be a chargable offense, you need to show criminal intent, and there is none here. You fundamentally don’t seem to understand the purpose of or how fraud statutes work. What personal gain did the creator of the Bomford BC get? None. Without some sort of personal gain, you won’t get criminal charges. Simply creating a document, and even handing it off to a person (even if you are intending to decieve them), is not alone sufficient as a basis for a chargable offense. You need criminal intent. Punking Orly, besides being rather easy, isn’t a criminal offense. End of story. If you’re so concerned, feel free to call the FBI yourself. I’m guessing you wouldn’t be the first birther to do so.
Now for the purported “conflicting claims.” More BS. Please tell me exactly which of his classmates he told he was a prince from Indonesia? Shouldn’t be hard to actually provide support for a claim that bold. As for your link…so you Bruce Steadman listed a bunch of people who have no independant basis to know where the President was born claiming he was born in Kenya. That isn’t evidence of “conflicting claims.” That’s a bunch of people who have no reason to actually know the facts, spouting off in ignorance (Pat Boone, anonomous posts on Free Republic, and long debunked stories? Really? You’re going to use that as support your claim? These are so rediculous I’m not going to waste everyone’s time going though the absurdity of each one) is not a conflicting claim. Not only is there no evidence that the President ever claimed to be born anywhere else but Hawaii, and there is no evidence to support a claim he was born anywhere but Hawaii.
Oh, and the President already release his birth records….twice. And the State of Hawaii has confirmed the facts, multiple times. What more do you want the guy to do? Personally deliver a copy to your house?
JoZeppy wrote:
As opposed to Herr Smith, who was trying to make a lot of bank off of his forgery.
Andrew Vrba, PmG wrote:
And we have a winner! Funny how some folks have no problem understanding how fraud statutes work.
Fraud statues. So easy, even a layman can grasp them. 🙂
Ignorant Obot: “Funny but the only people fooled by the Bomford certificate were Birthers.”
Exactly, to fool people into believing it was real. Hence, in the eyes of the law it was with intent to deceive.
Ignorant Obot: “Punking Orly Taitz is not a crime. Some might even consider it a patriotic duty.”
That has been the problem with Obots from the beginning. Interfering with the lawsuits that Americans with their attorneys have brought to the courts is a crime.
SlowBob, just google “PJ Foggy admits to distributing a fraudulent birth certificate”. All the evidence that is needed when one admits to it.
Foggy and his associates have engaged in an aggressive campaign to disrupt any and all attempts to pursue legal challenges to Obama’s eligibility, while seeking to ridicule in vile and abusive terms those who dare advance or support publicly such legal efforts.
JoZeppy,Obama has not released his birth records. He has had officials make either a reproduction or abstract of what is alleged to be on file, and Obots don’t know if what’s on file is an original record.
Ramoron said:
Wow, that has to be the most ignorant, moronic statement I have heard a birther make this week. What the fuck do you think birth certificates are but “a reproduction or abstract of what is alleged to be on file”? Ramoron, you should not venture out on your own. You are not ready for the real world.
Ramoron said
As Andrew said why don’t you call the FBI? They probably could use the laugh. Please proceed Ramoron.
Simply fooling someone, even with the intent to deceive, and and of itself is not criminal. Get it through your head. 1) No one gained anything by creating, and circulating the Bomford BC; 2) No one was deprived of anything they were legally entitled to as a result of the Bomford BC; 3) Any reasonable attorney would have rejected the Bomford BC out of hand (for Christ’s sake, it was a picture of a document on a table); 4) every attorney who as any interest in keeping his license to practice would be aware of Rule 11 of the Fed. R. of Civ. P. which requires reasonably researching the facts of what they file in court; 5) as pretty much every birther law suit has been found to be frivolous, there can be no prejudice to them by someone punking them.
For any of the above reasons, there is no crime in creating the Bomford BC. Simply creating a fake of something doesn’t create a crime. Go ahead. Call/email the FBI. Here’s the link with how to to it:
http://www.fbi.gov/contact-us
And I don’t know what part of the world you are from, or how they do things in your village, but here in the US, the states don’t generally let people wander around the original vital records to prove birth. The state officials issue certified copies which for all legal purposes are considered the same as the original records. So yes, the President has released, at least to the extent an individual can release their records to the population of the United States.
Keep in mind that Tough-talking Ike over there was issued a challenge to make good on a threat to report people to the feds.IForgedNancyOwensBirthCertificate wrote:
Cause he’s a pussy. That’s why! Birthers run AWAY from challenges, not towards them.
And you better hurry and call soon. The general federal statute of limitations is 5 years. The Bomford BC was created in early 2009, and sent to Orly in July 2009. Time is running out fast.
Very good. Rampussy. I like that. Let it be written. Let it be done.
It does fit so well.
You Obots are comical but it’s getting old. Foggy was reported along with some others after he admitted to it. I’m not at liberty to say anything else on that. You 3 losers don’t know diddly-squat.
Re: So yes, the President has released, at least to the extent an individual can release their records to the population of the United States.
Nothing has been released. All his original records are hidden. You have been given some circumstantial evidence that is alleged to have been produced from the hidden records. Even the Obots that I’m in contact with through another venue admit to that. I’ve had a challenge out for over a year for Obots to list any records that Obama has released (not copies or abstracts). So far they haven’t been able to list even 1. In total for his 2 terms Bush released close to 800 pages of records.
You do know that forgery is big business, right ? Look it up, fools. Here’s what your Overlord Dr Con said about it: “Having worked for decades on vital records information systems, I can tell you that they are not 100% accurate. And having worked on fraud prevention for vital records process engineering I know that there is fraud in vital records.”
Andrew Vrba you’re a complete waste of time and have never contributed anything worthwhile anywhere I’m seen you leave comments. Make yourself useful, go find Foggy and polish his knob.
Rambo Ike wrote:
So in other words, we have just your word. Your completely worthless word. Sorry, that just doesn’t cut the mustard.
Rambo Ike wrote:
O RLY? What does “interfering” mean? What criminal statute was violated?
That leads to a WND article, nowhere in which does Foggy actually “admit” to anything. Surely you can do better.
@ Rambo Ike:
Of course in all those cases (every single one) there was never a case where a document was attested to be authentic by the issuing authority the way Obama’s birth certificate has been authenticated by both the Director of the Department of Health and the State Registrar later turned out to be a forgery. You know what they call people who make statement like the one you made?
Rambo Ike wrote:
In otherwords, you called, they laughed, and nothing happened. It’s been almost 5 years and nothing has been done about it. The statute of limitations has already passed on some of what alledge were crimes. By June, it will have passed on everything. Spare us the puffery. We’re not mindless rubes that fall for birther cons.
Rambo Ike wrote:
In terms of his personal documents (I really don’t want to go onto a tangent of Presidential documents….btw what personal records did Bush release…oh yeah, none), the President has released far more than any president before him. In terms of his birth documents, he has released all he has the power to release. The original documents are the official documents of the State of Hawaii. The President has no power or control over them, and states don’t tend to let people look at those willy nilly. The President invited the press to examine the official certified copies of his birth records. Those records are prima facie evidence of the facts contained on them, and sufficient in any court of law in this country to establish when and where the President was born. His records are no more hidden than they are for any other American. You just aren’t special enough to look at them.
Rambo Ike wrote:
Yes, I am aware of that fact. But that the fact that forgery and errors occur is not evidence of forgery or errors in this circumstance. There is no evidence of forgery, the President has shown an official, certified document from the State of Hawaii, the State of Hawaii is officially on the record that the record on the White House website matches their records, the State of Hawaii has confirmed the details surrounding the President’s birth, and even filed multiple verifications with the odd state that requested it. As far as the law is concerned, the fact that President Obama was born in Hawaii is an established fact. Unless you have actual admissible evidence of him being born elsewhere, you’re pretty much stuck with that.
It’s gotta be a joyless existence being a birther. No matter what you do, or say, or hope or pray, Obama is still our legally elected President of these United States of America.
@ SlowBob:
SlowBob: “…..nowhere in which does Foggy actually “admit” to anything. Surely you can do better.”
You’ve earned your online nickname. You’re probably the only one that doesn’t know.
Try googling this. It has a screenshot of Foggy admitting to sending the forgery:
I’m not a lawyer but a reading of laws sites on forgery it looks like there’s a possibility of prison time for this type of offense. Foggy could be the warden’s official gardenboy taking care of the tulips & rose bushes.
That requires action, oh not on your part Rambo. You’re too much of a chicken shit.
Rambo Ike wrote:
Nowhere did Foggy claim he created the document, nowhere did Foggy try to pass it off as a real document, nowhere did a physical copy of the document get entered into evidence. Only Taitz presented it as a legal document.
@ Lucas is a conartist:
Re: Nowhere did Foggy claim he created the document, nowhere did Foggy try to pass it off as a real document, nowhere did a physical copy of the document get entered into evidence. Only Taitz presented it as a legal document.
It’s obvious you lack the ability to comprehend what you read. Foggy never said he made it. He admits to being the one who sent it knowing it was a forgery. When Orly enters it in a federal court to get a determination to the document’s authenticity Foggy became complicit in a serious federal crime.
Foggy could become Bubba’s boytoy in the Big House.
Rambo Ike wrote:
No he sent a digital file. There is nothing in the law saying sending someone a digital file you know someone else created is a criminal act. It was orly who printed it out without vetting it and submitted it to the court. Once again never did Foggy present a physical document as the real thing. Presenting a digital file to someone isn’t a federal crime.
Orly would be the one who committed the crime by presenting a document that was fake as a legitimate document.
Rambo Ike wrote:
Oh I’ve read about the Bomford prank. I wanted to see, exactly, what you think Foggy admitted to doing. You have a habit of making claims that you can’t substantiate … like Bush releasing 800 original documents (none of which being his birth certificate, naturally).
No need to state the obvious. Nor should you attempt to play one on the Internet.
Your reading comprehension is lacking. At no point did Foggy or anyone else ever say the Bomford certificate was genuine. Without a representation of authenticity, IT ISN’T FRAUD.
That Taitz was dumb enough to submit it to a court without first even attempting to determine its authenticity (1) only proves yet again her incompetence; and (2) doesn’t implicate Foggy (or anyone else).
But, hey, don’t take my word for it: Just note that — years after the fact — Foggy remains free and Obama continues to be the president.
Meanwhile: Lucas Smith still can’t demonstrate that he has ever been to Kenya, or that Kenya is seeking his extradition.
When Orly enters it in a federal court to get a determination to the document’s authenticity Foggy became complicit in a serious federal crime.
See. That’s the problem with Orly – as Bob pointed out anyway. You don’t submit “evidence” into a court to determine its authenticity. She needed to determine the authenticity prior to entering it into evidence. The courts aren’t used for fishing expeditions as Orly would like to use them.
Personally, I’ve never seen anyone so shit all stupid to submit a photograph of a fake birth certificate because that is what she received. A photograph. Not even the actual paper document. But birthers, dumb as they are, ate it up. There are still some passing that photograph around today claiming it is the authentic Kenyan birth certificate of President Obama.
Regardless, no crime was committed as Bob has already pointed out numerous times. No one will ever go to jail over the Bomford Fake birth certificate.
@ Rambo Ike:
So, if I give your dumb ass a Monopoly C note and you try to buy Depends; it is my fault?
TESTING,
Rambo Ike (on another thread) says:
May 1, 2014 at 8:56 pm
@ Bruce:
Is the thread with 91 comments dead? I’ve tried to put in there and it won’t take it.
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@Rambo Ike
The site seems to be taking comments from me. It SEEMS to be working OK.
Please let me know if you continue to have problems and Lucas and/or I will look further into the matter.
I’m sorry to learn that you are having problems posting comments on the site!
Rambo Ike wrote:
It’s pretty obvious you’re not a lawyer. Foggy lacked the mens rea to commit the crime of forgery. But keep holding onto that dream of Foggy caring for the warden’s roses….well at least for another month when there will be no possible argument that the statute of limitaions hasn’t passed (it’s debatable if it has already passed).
Rambo Ike wrote:
More proof that you’re not a lawyer. It’s not the court’s job to determine if a document is authentic. It’s Orly’s obligation as a lawyer to do the examination and research and determine that the document is authentic before presenting it to a court (Rule 11 Fed. R. Civ. P.). The fact that Orly is an idiot and didn’t do ANYTHING to confirm the authenticity of the PICTURE of a document she was sent anonomously, on a flash drive is the fault of no one but herself. But hey, keep trying to delude yourself that a crime was committed here. I suppose having a fool-hearty level of optimism is a prerequisit of still being a birther.
Rambo Ike wrote:
Yup…and Zullo will release his “universe shattering” evidence…..and Obama will be frog marched out of the White House.
…any…..day…..now…