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Free Republic is running a thread titled, 'Obama: 'I was born in Hawaii,' wink, wink (taunts Trump, complements press on digging up truth)', which was started 4/29/2012 by 'Seizethecarp'
The thread references 4/29/2012 WND article by Drew Zahn titled, 'Obama, I was born in Hawaii, wink wink'
View the original WND article at:
http://www.wnd.com/2012/04/obama-i-w...aii-wink-wink/
View the complete Free Republic thread at:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2877813/posts
Reference the face of the (naked, according to full images posted elsewhere) woman shown in the center photo on COMMENT #88, by 'Fred Nerks' There has been considerable discussion and controversy related to the possible identity of this woman as being BHO-II's mother, Stanley Ann Dunham.
The following is COMMENT #109, by 'Seizethecarp' in the thread. It is in reply to the COMMENT #88 featured photo referenced above:
"Only the pictures on the far left and far right are Marcy Moore, not the picture in the center which is from the Davis shoot and girlie mag. The picture in the center has never been identified as Marcy Moore other than by the Obot site Snoopes, IIRC, attempting to protect Barry's mom's reputation, it would appear. To my eye Marcy Moore's image in numerous pics is not even close to being the same woman in the pictures claimed to have been found in FM Davis’ home, which strongly resemble Stanley Ann.
Note the absence of the “beauty mark” (likely birth mark) on the Davis model's cheek and the much more triangular “Dunham” jaw line more clearly visible in other photos of the Davis shoot compared to the round face of Moore. Let's just say that other prominent feature's of Marcy Moore's anatomy obviously do not resemble those of the model in the claimed Davis pictures.
Stanley Ann was at least pudgy for most of her life...except in photos that we have seen within two years of Barry's birth, such as at the zoo (summer of 1963?), but especially in the “little Barry the pirate” picture (October 1962?) possible taken when Barry was 15 mos old and Stanley Ann is slender and looking very much like the young woman in the Davis pictures."
The following is COMMENT #125, by 'Seizethecarp' in the thread:
"IMO, that IS the same young woman...SAD. Look at the distinctive upper lip and teeth!
It would be very rash for this author to make up finding the pictures in the Davis home, especially with vicious Obots and Othugs waiting to pounce. He either has the originals or he doesn't.
Barry would be NBC if Davis was his dad and he was born in HI...but not if SADO was spirited off to Kenya to protect Davis, who was under FBI surveillance."
The following is an excerpt from COMMENT #134, by 'Seizethecarp' in the thread:
"As always I WANT only to get at the truth based on available claimed evidence...evidence that can eventually be produced in court under the federal rules evidence.
Thanks to you all FReepers and lurkers can see and judge for themselves whether the women in the two open-mouthed images showing the teeth appear to be of the same woman (one from the nudie pics and one not).
I suspect that forensic facial recognition software has already proved whether or not your pictures are of just one woman. If the nude woman in your panel wasn't Stanley Ann, I think some Obot with access to facial recognition SW would have come forward to debunk the picture. The Snopes effort claiming it is Marcy Moore was a pitiful Obot distraction, IMO."
The following is COMMENT #141, by 'Seizethecarp' in the thread:
"Look at the two lower left pictures in comment #128 (the open mouth pictures showing teeth) and look at the jaw line of the women which seems to me to be a perfect match. To my eye the jaw is the “Dunham jaw” which Gramps, Ann and Barry all share. I see the facial features rotating perfectly from the angle of the head in one photo to the angle of the head in the next.
Some folks don't believe that Stanley Ann was Barry's mom and I don't see why those folks would care if FM Davis jumped Ann.
For those of us who strongly believe that Stanley Ann WAS Barry's mom, this photo shoot timed for Christmas 1960 (from the decorations in the photo) would put create an intimate opportunity between a black man and Ann Dunham eight months before Barry's alleged birth. It is not too hard to imagine that naked intimacy could have also occurred a month earlier when a full-term Barry was likely conceived.
(bold emphasis added)
BTW, it is fairly common for older grizzled “artists” to jump their nude models in history, literature and in my own family experience (sadly)!"
The following is an excerpt from COMMENT #150, by 'Seizethecarp' in the thread:
"I have never used any terms of “certainty” but thanks to your photos I am more convinced than ever that the “Dunham” jaw” and other features line up perfectly to my eye.
Regarding FM Davis, I see no resemblance to Barry nor do I see any resemblance to BHO Sr. I only see a resemblance between Barry, his mom, Stanley Ann, and his gramps Stanley Armour who all possess the “Dunham jaw” with the prominent chin...as also obviously and incontrovertibly shared with the naked model in question.
As we have previously discusses and disagree over, I find the striking resemblance of Barry to the dead brother David Obama that Mark Ndesandjo claims to be his brother fathered by BHO Sr to be the best evidence that BHO Sr. is Barry's father. The resemblance is so striking that some, including you, have claimed that the pictures of David are actually pictures of Barry, even though it is obvious that Barry could not have been 2 years old in Kenya with BHO Sr and Ruth Baker Obama in the picture you claim was taken in 1966 when Barry was five (and the picture was from 1970-71 according to a living eyewitness, Mark Ndesand).
(bold emphasis added)
The INS FOIA doc provide contemporaneous proof that Stanley Ann planned to go to a university in Seattle in Sept 1961, so to Polk docs and witness accounts of her line up with that Ann Obama being her, as to the transcripts. To make your narrative work the INC docs and UW and UH doc must ALL have been forged.
There is no evidence provided in the INS FOIA docs that the notation of a “wife in the Philippines” was provided by BHO Sr. of was a brain fart by an INS worker in Baltimore who didn't know the difference between Hawaii and the Philippines...and no proof of any “Anne Obama” giving birth to a mixed race baby anywhere on the planet.
You are willing to accept the INS docs as proof of a non-SADO mom for a BHO Sr. baby, but you don't accept the same docs as proof that BHO Sr and SADO were claimed to have been married (as reported to INS by UH) or that SADO was planning to be in Seattle in the fall of 1961.
I prefer to build a likely narrative on evidence that has been corroborated by witnesses and documents.
I don't know who Barry's father is and in early in 1961 when Stanley Ann started showing she may not have known which of two available black men was the father. It may not have mattered other than there was a need to protect KGB asset FM Davis and also likely KGB asset BHO Sr (IMO) from being implicated while under FBI counterespionage surveillance by shipping Stanley Ann off to Kenya."
(bold emphasis added)
The thread references 4/29/2012 WND article by Drew Zahn titled, 'Obama, I was born in Hawaii, wink wink'
View the original WND article at:
http://www.wnd.com/2012/04/obama-i-w...aii-wink-wink/
View the complete Free Republic thread at:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2877813/posts
Reference the face of the (naked, according to full images posted elsewhere) woman shown in the center photo on COMMENT #88, by 'Fred Nerks' There has been considerable discussion and controversy related to the possible identity of this woman as being BHO-II's mother, Stanley Ann Dunham.
The following is COMMENT #109, by 'Seizethecarp' in the thread. It is in reply to the COMMENT #88 featured photo referenced above:
"Only the pictures on the far left and far right are Marcy Moore, not the picture in the center which is from the Davis shoot and girlie mag. The picture in the center has never been identified as Marcy Moore other than by the Obot site Snoopes, IIRC, attempting to protect Barry's mom's reputation, it would appear. To my eye Marcy Moore's image in numerous pics is not even close to being the same woman in the pictures claimed to have been found in FM Davis’ home, which strongly resemble Stanley Ann.
Note the absence of the “beauty mark” (likely birth mark) on the Davis model's cheek and the much more triangular “Dunham” jaw line more clearly visible in other photos of the Davis shoot compared to the round face of Moore. Let's just say that other prominent feature's of Marcy Moore's anatomy obviously do not resemble those of the model in the claimed Davis pictures.
Stanley Ann was at least pudgy for most of her life...except in photos that we have seen within two years of Barry's birth, such as at the zoo (summer of 1963?), but especially in the “little Barry the pirate” picture (October 1962?) possible taken when Barry was 15 mos old and Stanley Ann is slender and looking very much like the young woman in the Davis pictures."
The following is COMMENT #125, by 'Seizethecarp' in the thread:
"IMO, that IS the same young woman...SAD. Look at the distinctive upper lip and teeth!
It would be very rash for this author to make up finding the pictures in the Davis home, especially with vicious Obots and Othugs waiting to pounce. He either has the originals or he doesn't.
Barry would be NBC if Davis was his dad and he was born in HI...but not if SADO was spirited off to Kenya to protect Davis, who was under FBI surveillance."
The following is an excerpt from COMMENT #134, by 'Seizethecarp' in the thread:
"As always I WANT only to get at the truth based on available claimed evidence...evidence that can eventually be produced in court under the federal rules evidence.
Thanks to you all FReepers and lurkers can see and judge for themselves whether the women in the two open-mouthed images showing the teeth appear to be of the same woman (one from the nudie pics and one not).
I suspect that forensic facial recognition software has already proved whether or not your pictures are of just one woman. If the nude woman in your panel wasn't Stanley Ann, I think some Obot with access to facial recognition SW would have come forward to debunk the picture. The Snopes effort claiming it is Marcy Moore was a pitiful Obot distraction, IMO."
The following is COMMENT #141, by 'Seizethecarp' in the thread:
"Look at the two lower left pictures in comment #128 (the open mouth pictures showing teeth) and look at the jaw line of the women which seems to me to be a perfect match. To my eye the jaw is the “Dunham jaw” which Gramps, Ann and Barry all share. I see the facial features rotating perfectly from the angle of the head in one photo to the angle of the head in the next.
Some folks don't believe that Stanley Ann was Barry's mom and I don't see why those folks would care if FM Davis jumped Ann.
For those of us who strongly believe that Stanley Ann WAS Barry's mom, this photo shoot timed for Christmas 1960 (from the decorations in the photo) would put create an intimate opportunity between a black man and Ann Dunham eight months before Barry's alleged birth. It is not too hard to imagine that naked intimacy could have also occurred a month earlier when a full-term Barry was likely conceived.
(bold emphasis added)
BTW, it is fairly common for older grizzled “artists” to jump their nude models in history, literature and in my own family experience (sadly)!"
The following is an excerpt from COMMENT #150, by 'Seizethecarp' in the thread:
"I have never used any terms of “certainty” but thanks to your photos I am more convinced than ever that the “Dunham” jaw” and other features line up perfectly to my eye.
Regarding FM Davis, I see no resemblance to Barry nor do I see any resemblance to BHO Sr. I only see a resemblance between Barry, his mom, Stanley Ann, and his gramps Stanley Armour who all possess the “Dunham jaw” with the prominent chin...as also obviously and incontrovertibly shared with the naked model in question.
As we have previously discusses and disagree over, I find the striking resemblance of Barry to the dead brother David Obama that Mark Ndesandjo claims to be his brother fathered by BHO Sr to be the best evidence that BHO Sr. is Barry's father. The resemblance is so striking that some, including you, have claimed that the pictures of David are actually pictures of Barry, even though it is obvious that Barry could not have been 2 years old in Kenya with BHO Sr and Ruth Baker Obama in the picture you claim was taken in 1966 when Barry was five (and the picture was from 1970-71 according to a living eyewitness, Mark Ndesand).
(bold emphasis added)
The INS FOIA doc provide contemporaneous proof that Stanley Ann planned to go to a university in Seattle in Sept 1961, so to Polk docs and witness accounts of her line up with that Ann Obama being her, as to the transcripts. To make your narrative work the INC docs and UW and UH doc must ALL have been forged.
There is no evidence provided in the INS FOIA docs that the notation of a “wife in the Philippines” was provided by BHO Sr. of was a brain fart by an INS worker in Baltimore who didn't know the difference between Hawaii and the Philippines...and no proof of any “Anne Obama” giving birth to a mixed race baby anywhere on the planet.
You are willing to accept the INS docs as proof of a non-SADO mom for a BHO Sr. baby, but you don't accept the same docs as proof that BHO Sr and SADO were claimed to have been married (as reported to INS by UH) or that SADO was planning to be in Seattle in the fall of 1961.
I prefer to build a likely narrative on evidence that has been corroborated by witnesses and documents.
I don't know who Barry's father is and in early in 1961 when Stanley Ann started showing she may not have known which of two available black men was the father. It may not have mattered other than there was a need to protect KGB asset FM Davis and also likely KGB asset BHO Sr (IMO) from being implicated while under FBI counterespionage surveillance by shipping Stanley Ann off to Kenya."
(bold emphasis added)