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SHOOT-OUT At The Obama BC Corral
h2ooflife
A.R. Nash
7/13/2012
Excerpt:
Point / Counter-Point between A.R. Nash and “sentientstorm”:
You still have nothing to argue the claim that Obama was born anywhere else than in Hawaii!
[[WAKE UP! The claim, -the CLAIM, -the CLAIM is that he was born in Hawaii, but it is supported by nothing! -no witnesses! no physical document! no microfilm photo! no hospital record! and no pregnancy or post-delivery or even wedding photos! Where are the photos of Ann Dunham in a wedding dress? His "Hawaiian birth" is as solid and provable as a ghost. As visible as a Black Hole. That doesn't mean he wasn't born in his mother's Hawaiian home but if he were, then we would not have to hide the birth certificate that he has used all of his teen and adult life. Where is that birth certificate? Why has he hidden it from everyone? What does it show that would ruin his presumed eligibility to be President? Tell me about how silly these questions are. About how a law degree graduate of Harvard, married with children, elected state and national Senator managed to get all the way through life without a birth certificate, and only had to order one because he chose to run for the unique office of the President of the United States! Tell me about how unhinged, irrational and emotional it is to realize that that is totally impossible.]]
This whole approach is nothing but unhinged, irrational and emotional adherence to a conspiracy theory, and is why the birthers are such a hazard to this country, the issue of the qualification for the Office, and any hope of the real facts of this issue ever getting proper media attention.
[[There is no hope of the real facts about constitutional ineligibility ever getting proper "media attention" and you know that, but you want to divert attention from the crime of creating a counterfeit representation of an official state document because that offense, unlike being an unconstitutional President, is a felony.]]
Your argument not only has no facts of its own, but dismisses anything officially recognized as fact,
[[What? Officially recognized? by who? Who is the official officially recognizing anything regarding Obama's birth, -other than the lying obama toadies in the Hawaiian government? They have no credibility! No one who proclaims him to be a "natural born citizen", as did the director of the HDOH, is honest because no one in government has the authority to do that, which you are well aware of.]]
“A non-standard format, in a non-standardized digital form, is still not a “counterfeit representation” of a any sort of birth certificate form.” [[Apparently you aren’t cognizant of what constitutes “standard”. Whatever a state government issues is the standard it follows, but no standard includes issuing pdf files so I’m still unclear exactly what you are referring to as being non-standard since Hawaii didn’t issue anything to Obama’s people. The pdf is certainly a non-standard image since it purports to be the image of a scanned document but it wasn’t made by a scanner since they don’t produce 9 random layers. Any such image which pretends to be something it isn’t is by definition a counterfeit.]]
“the format itself is not what HDOH attests to and ascertains, but rather the facts themselves are.”
[[You need to grasp the truth about the history and purpose of birth certificate certification. It is NOT what you think is the purported policy of today. Before the total bastardization of the digital age, subsequent to the development of the various forms of photographic reproduction, it was NOT the facts that were attested to, it was the reproduction itself that was certified as a “TRUE AND CORRECT COPY” of the original. The state was not in the business of certifying the information, -that judgement was left to those examining the certified copy of the original birth documentation. All the state did is certify that the copy was TRUE. Anything less than a certified true copy is open to alteration and fraud. The state seal is meant to prevent any other party from making any acceptable certification since they would not have a seal that is valid. So the assertion that the state could certify info on a napkin, while true, is a bastardized modern degradation of true certification and as such is deserving of no respect.]]
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h2ooflife
A.R. Nash
7/13/2012
Excerpt:
Point / Counter-Point between A.R. Nash and “sentientstorm”:
You still have nothing to argue the claim that Obama was born anywhere else than in Hawaii!
[[WAKE UP! The claim, -the CLAIM, -the CLAIM is that he was born in Hawaii, but it is supported by nothing! -no witnesses! no physical document! no microfilm photo! no hospital record! and no pregnancy or post-delivery or even wedding photos! Where are the photos of Ann Dunham in a wedding dress? His "Hawaiian birth" is as solid and provable as a ghost. As visible as a Black Hole. That doesn't mean he wasn't born in his mother's Hawaiian home but if he were, then we would not have to hide the birth certificate that he has used all of his teen and adult life. Where is that birth certificate? Why has he hidden it from everyone? What does it show that would ruin his presumed eligibility to be President? Tell me about how silly these questions are. About how a law degree graduate of Harvard, married with children, elected state and national Senator managed to get all the way through life without a birth certificate, and only had to order one because he chose to run for the unique office of the President of the United States! Tell me about how unhinged, irrational and emotional it is to realize that that is totally impossible.]]
This whole approach is nothing but unhinged, irrational and emotional adherence to a conspiracy theory, and is why the birthers are such a hazard to this country, the issue of the qualification for the Office, and any hope of the real facts of this issue ever getting proper media attention.
[[There is no hope of the real facts about constitutional ineligibility ever getting proper "media attention" and you know that, but you want to divert attention from the crime of creating a counterfeit representation of an official state document because that offense, unlike being an unconstitutional President, is a felony.]]
Your argument not only has no facts of its own, but dismisses anything officially recognized as fact,
[[What? Officially recognized? by who? Who is the official officially recognizing anything regarding Obama's birth, -other than the lying obama toadies in the Hawaiian government? They have no credibility! No one who proclaims him to be a "natural born citizen", as did the director of the HDOH, is honest because no one in government has the authority to do that, which you are well aware of.]]
“A non-standard format, in a non-standardized digital form, is still not a “counterfeit representation” of a any sort of birth certificate form.” [[Apparently you aren’t cognizant of what constitutes “standard”. Whatever a state government issues is the standard it follows, but no standard includes issuing pdf files so I’m still unclear exactly what you are referring to as being non-standard since Hawaii didn’t issue anything to Obama’s people. The pdf is certainly a non-standard image since it purports to be the image of a scanned document but it wasn’t made by a scanner since they don’t produce 9 random layers. Any such image which pretends to be something it isn’t is by definition a counterfeit.]]
“the format itself is not what HDOH attests to and ascertains, but rather the facts themselves are.”
[[You need to grasp the truth about the history and purpose of birth certificate certification. It is NOT what you think is the purported policy of today. Before the total bastardization of the digital age, subsequent to the development of the various forms of photographic reproduction, it was NOT the facts that were attested to, it was the reproduction itself that was certified as a “TRUE AND CORRECT COPY” of the original. The state was not in the business of certifying the information, -that judgement was left to those examining the certified copy of the original birth documentation. All the state did is certify that the copy was TRUE. Anything less than a certified true copy is open to alteration and fraud. The state seal is meant to prevent any other party from making any acceptable certification since they would not have a seal that is valid. So the assertion that the state could certify info on a napkin, while true, is a bastardized modern degradation of true certification and as such is deserving of no respect.]]
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View the complete post at:
http://h2ooflife.wordpress.com/2012/...the-bc-corral/