Video: Florida Obama Ballot Access Hearing Live-Stream Video Archive Now Posted Here

[bsteadman]

Video: Florida Obama Ballot Access Hearing Live-Stream Video Archive Now Posted Here

Birther Report
6/18/2012

Video

View the complete Birther Report presentation at:

http://obamareleaseyourrecords.blogs...s-hearing.html

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My comment: There is a short but very interesting dialog which occurs between the plaintiffs attorney, Larry Klayman, and the Florida Judge, Terry Lewis, starting at about the 01:01:40 mark near the very end of the hearing.

Klayman concentrated most of his Obama ineligibility argument during the hearing on the NBC POTUS eligibility requirement for 'two citizen parents at time of birth'. However, toward the very end of the hearing, during the rebuttal statements, the additional NBC eligibility requirement for 'birth in the USA' was briefly discussed.

Lewis noted that “there is not an allegation in the complaint that the candidate was born somewhere other than in the United States or the jurisdiction of the United States,” to which Klayman replied, “I believe there is your honor … it says that he submitted a birth certificate that is fraudulent and that’s what the issue of fact is.”

Judge Lewis replied that even if the document released was a forgery, this did not necessarily mean the Obama was not born in the USA. Lewis then asked Klayman, “if I give you leave to amend can you amend that he was born somewhere outside of the jurisdiction of the United States?”, and Klayman's answer was an emphatic - YES!

Hmmmmmmm!

[bsteadman]

Obama attorneys argue he's not Dem nominee -- WND

Obama attorneys argue he's not Dem nominee

Urge Florida judge to ignore evidence challenging eligibility

WND
6/18/2012

Excerpt:

"TALLAHASSEE, Fla. – Attorneys arguing on behalf of Barack Obama’s re-election plans today urged a Florida judge to decide that Obama is not yet the Democratic nominee for president and ignore evidence challenging his eligibility.

The arguments were raised by attorney Mark Herron on behalf of Obama in a hearing before Judge Terry Lewis in Florida, who is best known for presiding over the 2000 Bush v. Gore election dispute.

Lewis is credited with making crucial rulings in the contested 2000 presidential election when ultimately a Florida recount was halted by the U.S. Supreme Court, and George W. Bush was declared the winner.

Attorney Larry Klayman filed the challenge to Obama’s eligibility for the ballot on behalf of Michael Voeltz, who identifies himself in the complaint as “a registered member of the Democratic Party, voter, and taxpayer in Broward County.”

Attorneys representing Obama at the hearing, which was livestreamed by WND, argued that the Florida presidential preference primary, which listed Obama as the only Democrat nominee, didn’t make him the party’s nominee for president.

Herron argued the Florida process affirms only that Obama is the choice in the state’s presidential preference primary but is not necessarily the party’s nominee for president.

A video recording of the hearing will be available for viewing online at WND

“This language clearly indicates the winner of the president preference primary, not the nominee of the party,” he said.

But the judge noted that the party wrote to Florida’s secretary of state a letter indicating Obama’s name was the only one submitted, and he thought the state’s electors were bound to vote for him.

“Wasn’t there a letter [that said] this is the only candidate whose name will appear?” Lewis asked.

Obama’s attorneys said such a decision “has not been triggered yet.”

Klayman argued that according to state law, when only one name is submitted, that person automatically becomes the nominee, even if the national Democratic Party nominating convention has not been held.

No decision was announced immediately. The judge said he would review the law, but he had pointed questions for both sides.

When Klayman noted the Founding Fathers established the natural-born citizen requirement because they wanted to avoid foreign influence on a president from a non-citizen parent, Lewis countered by posing a hypothetical situation in which a candidate’s two U.S.-citizen parents later emigrate to Israel.

Klayman said the Founding Fathers’ attempt to avoid a conflict of interest in the Oval Office did not include every possible scenario.

The judge asked whether the Democratic Party, as a private group, had a right to choose a nominee, even if that person was ineligible.

Lewis questioned a citation by Obama’s attorneys of a Florida law that suggests when only one person is on the ballot, that person becomes the nominee. He told the attorneys he would review the details of the law.

The arguments by Obama’s attorneys reflected their request that the judge simply dismiss the case because they claim a sitting president chosen by his party at multiple levels is not yet officially the nominee.

Klayman accused the Obama attorneys of playing a “shell game” and trying to put off the issue, as numerous courts did in 2008 until the election was over and Obama was inaugurated.

The judge could remove Obama’s name from the November ballot in Florida, a crucial swing state, should he determine that the Constitution’s requirement that a president be a “natural born citizen” can be applied at the primary level.

Klayman told WND that during a hearing last month on discovery issues in the case, Lewis noted that the plaintiff’s brief cited U.S. Supreme Court case Minor v. Happersett from 1875 defining “natural born citizen” as the offspring of two citizens of the nation, while the Obama campaign’s arguments provided no citations.

Defining the term is critical. Such a step has not been reached in any of the more than 100 legal cases that have been brought over Obama’s eligibility.

The U.S. Constitution’s “natural born citizen” requirement is not imposed on other federal officials. The writings of the Founders indicate the requirement was meant to ensure that no person who had divided loyalties would serve as commander in chief.

Klayman has argued that since Obama, by his own admission, was not born to two citizen parents, he is not a “natural born citizen” and, therefore, is ineligible to be a candidate on the state’s election ballot.

Florida’s election statutes provide broad protections for voters to ensure that the integrity of the election system is beyond reproach. One of the laws allows voters to challenge the nomination of a candidate who is not eligible for the office he is seeking."
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View the complete article at:

http://www.wnd.com/2012/06/obama-att...t-dem-nominee/

[bsteadman]

Free Republic is running a thread titled, 'Obama attorneys argue he's not Dem nominee (Klayman Florida NBC ballot challenge)', which was started 6/18/2012 by 'Seizethecarp'

The thread references the 6/18/2012 WND article concerning the same topic.

View the complete Free Republic thread at:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2896617/posts

[bsteadman]

Happy Father’s Day (Open Thread) (Blogging the FL Eligibility Hearing Live)

We The People Of The United States
Miri
6/17/2012

Excerpts:

View the complete post at:

http://wtpotus.wordpress.com/2012/06...open-thread-2/


The following is a comment by 'Miri' at 6/18/2012 at 4:01 pm in the thread:

"Some are jumping for joy that the judge asked whether Klayman said in his complaint that Obama might have been born outside the US. Klayman said that it’s in the complaint that Obama submitted a fraudulent document. The judge said it can be fraudulent but (implied) still could be (think he trailed off) born here. He asked Klayman “can you amend that he was born somewhere outside the jurisdiction of the United States” and Klayman said, “yes.” What that means, I don’t know, but some on other blogs think that means that Klayman said he has evidence that Obama was born elsewhere, but I don’t know that you can read that into it. The obot lawyer wanted the judge to not “change” it into something other than an “election contest.” So I take that to mean he objected to letting Klayman amend to include the question of whether or not Barry was born in the USA. Not being a lawyer, I don’t know what this means. Don’t know if it’s good or bad."