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**bsteadman** · 05-16-2013, 04:41 PM

Free Republic is running a thread titled, 'Would You Believe The Administration Got Phone Records of The House Of Representatives?', which was started 5/15/2013 by 'PJ-Comix'

The thread references a 5/15/2013 Hot Air article written by Duane Patterson - http://hotair.com/greenroom/archives...presentatives/

View the complete Free Republic thread at:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3020015/posts

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That’s the revelation made by California Congressman Devin Nunes, who sits on the House Ways And Means Committee on Hugh Hewitt’s Show Wednesday night. Here’s the key part of that transcript:

HH: The idea that this might be a Geithner-Axelrod plan, and by that, the sort of intimation, Henry II style, will no one rid me of this turbulent priest, will no one rid me of these turbulent Tea Parties, that might have just been a hint, a shift of an eyebrow, a change in the tone of voice. That’s going to take a long time to get to. I don’t trust the Department of Justice on this. Do you, Congressman Nunes?

DN: No, I absolutely do not, especially after this wiretapping incident, essentially, of the House of Representative. I don’t think people are focusing on the right thing when they talk about going after the AP reporters. The big problem that I see is that they actually tapped right where I’m sitting right now, the Cloak Room.

To: PJ-Comix

Before everyone goes TOO far off the deep end, the congressman mis-spoke when he said “tapping”. This was still discussing the obtaining of the AP phone records, not actually tapping lines. What the congressman was referring to is the fact that some of those phone records were records of calls between AP reporters and phones in the congressional cloak room. So those records could possibly show that certain congressmen were in touch with AP reporters, but ostensibly could not show what was discussed. That does not make it any better, but probably keeps it from reaching the “I” word...

20 posted on Wednesday, May 15, 2013 9:30:32 PM by CA Conservative (Texan by birth, Californian by circumstance)

To: CA Conservative

If one is investigating leaks, what would be the purpose of only tracking
phone numbers and not phone conversations? You can bet these conversations were recorded.

29 posted on 05/15/2013 6:38:02 PM PDT by tennmountainman

To: tennmountainman

per homeland security, they have all the phone conversations. everybody, everywhere. given the information that the phone records provide, I bet they sure has hell could find out about the calls contents.

46 posted on 05/15/2013 6:51:06 PM PDT by visualops (artlife.us)

To: tennmountainman

Recording phone conversations without consent in the state of Maryland is illegal.
Remember Linda Tripp ?

53 posted on 05/15/2013 6:58:30 PM PDT by American Constitutionalist

To: tennmountainman

...what would be the purpose of only tracking phone numbers and not phone conversations?

One possibility would be analysis: who is talking to whom and in what sequences are these conversations happening? Are there White House supporters talking to congress? Who is leaning on whom? Does the White House or their party need to focus efforts to chastise or woo any of their own? Who is the weak link in the opposition? Who are the sources propagating the calls in the opposition? Etc...

So, I speculate this could help the unscrupulous even without hearing the actual conversations...maybe use some imagination based on this:http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3019994/posts

82 posted on 05/15/2013 7:16:48 PM PDT by mbj

To: PJ-Comix

Well, it’s like when Hillary got hold of the FBI files, and all the prominent Republican politicians knew they could be blackmailed if they caused too much trouble. Any Republican who has said anything on the phone since 1/20/2009 that he doesn’t want to be public knowledge knows that the Obama administration can leak that information whenver it wants to.

106 posted on Wednesday, May 15, 2013 10:33:03 PM by Verginius Rufus

To: stockpirate

No not they they picked up members of congress, all they did at the AP was get records of calls, but read what the congressman said, “The big problem that I see is that they actually tapped right where I’m sitting right now, the Cloak Room.”

Things are different now that we have VOIP phone communications. One no longer needs to 'tap' and record a conversation, because ALL conversations are now recorded at that NSA data center in Utah*. Hence, all Zero needs to 'tap' a conversation is to know the time and the line on which the call was made and then pull up the record.

This is why getting phone records is so damaging; it IS equivalent to a wire tap. - (bold and color emphasis added)

146 posted on Wednesday, May 15, 2013 11:38:43 PM by Carry_Okie (An economy is not a zero-sum game, but politics usually is.)

* http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/201...atacenter/all/

To: The Cajun

How do you know the congressman misspoke on this?
Did he clarify his statement or is this an assumption of yours?

From National Review:

"Yesterday, on High Hewitt’s radio show, Representative Devin Nunes, a California Republican, seemed to allege that the Justice Department had also “tapped” phone lines in the cloakroom, a room for lawmakers near the House floor.

That, in addition to the secret seizure of Associated Press call logs, would have raised serious balance of power issues.

A spokesman for Nunes, however, tells National Review Online that the congressman didn’t mean to make that claim.

“There was a little confusion between him and the host during the conversation: He did not mean to refer to phone records of the cloakroom itself, but of the Capitol,” said Nunes spokesman Jack Langer.

DOJ did seize call logs for a phone in the Capitol used by AP reporters, but that phone is in the press gallery, not the cloakroom."

221 posted on Thursday, May 16, 2013 11:39:42 AM by CA Conservative (Texan by birth, Californian by circumstance)

**bsteadman** · 05-17-2013, 04:01 PM

Cloaked in misinformation

Canada Free Press
Doug Hagmann
5/17/2013

Excerpt:

What’s one of the most effective and expedient methods of taking an incident that is true and making it not only appear false, but outrageously and demonstrably false? You know the kind of false I mean… the “urban legend” type of false, causing anyone who hears about the incident to immediately dismiss it and attack the messengers as conspiracy nuts?

The answer is playing out, in real time, right before all of us, and we all need to understand the methods that are being used to cover the lie. To answer the question, though, is for a government official or agency to take what is true, wrap it in the bait of a larger lie where the larger, more outrageous lie is proven to be untrue. Soon, people don’t know what to believe, so they discount the entire story, even (and especially) the kernel of truth covered by the lie. Then, when anyone refers to the incident, they are told that the entire story was proven false.

I am referring to the allegations that the Holder Justice Department “wiretapped” the cloakrooms, or the private, “members-only” areas just off the floor of the House and Senate. The story originated with the disclosure that the Associated Press received a letter from the Holder Justice Department last week stating that the government had obtained two months of telephone records that included each incoming and outgoing telephone number and the length of each call for over 20 different lines used by reporters. Additionally, the records also included personal lines for reporters and phones in the congressional press gallery.

Since the story broke, some lawmakers and others have gone public to decry the allegations that the Holder Justice Department “wiretapped” the Cloak Room. Wiretapping indicates real-time telephonic surveillance of the phone lines by Holder’s agents. Wiretapping is, of course, the incorrect word to describe the DOJ’s attack on our separation of powers through the questionable, if not illegal use of his agency’s powers in a manner that seems to summon the ghost of J. Edgar Hoover during the darkest of times. The incorrect use of the word wiretapping was about all the tyrannical despots within the Obama regime needed to immediately and forcefully deny that any such surveillance had taken place—and be technically correct. Thus began the clever word games.

The truth, however, is even far more disturbing than the big lie. According to one intelligence official close to the situation who provided information specific to this incident, Holder’s Justice Department not only attacked the sacred separation of powers through his agency’s actions by obtaining the aforementioned telephone records, but what has yet to be disclosed is that all electronic communications data was included in this overreach. According to this source, the records not only included those within the cloak room, but in other areas throughout and within the Capitol. Not in real time, of course, so as to maintain the infamous Nixonian plausible deniability amid the semantics serving to sully the truth.
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http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/55269

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