Deputy Chief Judge Michael Malihi of the Office of State Administrative Hearings, State of Georgia, has today (01.20.2012) denied President Obama’s motion to quash the subpoena compelling his (Obama’s) attendance at a hearing tentatively scheduled for January 26, 2012.
My question is if Obama fails to appear for this hearing is there anything that can be done about it? What legal repercussions could anyone, not just the President (de facto), be confronted with?
Can an administrative judge issue a warrant for a person’s arrest? I understand that some administrative judges can issue search warrants but I don’t know that they can issue arrest warrants.
Lastly, have I correctly titled Judge Malihi as an “Administrative Judge”? Or is he some other sort of judge?
Farrar-Welden-Swensson-Powell v Obama, Order on Motion to Quash Subpoenas, Georgia Ballot Challenge
Obama will not have to attend. His Council who was served, can represent him there.
Make him show up! Way to go! Impeach!!
Arizona is right. He will not have to appear, only his council will. It is up to the judge to demand anything different and we know that won’thappen.
GEORGIA ATTORNEY MARK HATFIELD FILED 2 ” NOTICE TO PRODUCE ”
obozo ‘ s BIRTH CERTIFICATE , PASSPORT RECORDS , SCHOOL RECORDS AND MORE , SO THE WHITEHOUSE LAWYERS MUST COMPLY .
Lucas,
Thank you for giving me the opportunity to address this issue on your very informative blog. Here is a quick answer.
The subpoena issued to Obama comes from an administrative court rather than a law court. A court-issued subpoena has the authority of a court order whether it comes from a law court or an administrative one.
Obama just happens to be the President now and would have to take time out of his official schedule to honor the subpoena. Nevertheless, Obama is subpoened as a private individual, not as the President.
Does Obama have to honor the subpoena? The only way to get out of honoring a subpoena is to have it quashed on a motion to quash. Obama tried that and it has so far failed. He can attempt to file a motion for reconsideration. But until the court changes its mind, he must honor the subpoena and here is why.
“It is beyond dispute that there is in fact, a public obligation to provide evidence, see United States v. Bryan, 339 U. S. 323, 339 U. S. 331; Blackmer v. United States, 284 U. S. 421, 284 U. S. 438, and that this obligation persists no matter how financially burdensome it may be. Footnote 10″
“Footnote 10 [I]t may be a sacrifice of time and labor, and thus of ease, of profits, of livelihood. This contribution is not to be regarded as a gratuity, or a courtesy, or an ill-required favor. It is a duty not to be grudged or evaded. Whoever is impelled to evade or to resent it should retire from the society of organized and civilized communities, and become a hermit. He who will live by society must let society live by him, when it requires to. 8 J. Wigmore, Evidence § 2192, p. 72 (J. McNaughton rev.1961).”
Hurtado v. United States, 410 U.S. 578, 589 (1973). This is one case among the many on this issue.
Indeed, Obama, as a member of legally constitutued society, as a “public obligation” to provide evidence to a court, whether that court is a law court or an administrative one. His obligation is even greater given that the subpoena touches upon his right to eventually hold a public office should he win the election. Even Congress, which is not a law court, issues subpoenas which must be obeyed at the risk of suffering severe sanctions, including incarceration.
The only way that Obama could avoid the subpoena is to show that he has some privilege that protects him from giving the requested evidence. Again, Obama has been subpoened as a private person, a candidate for public office, not as the President of the United States. From the Georgia court’s ruling on Obama’s motion to quash, we can see that Obama failed to make such a showing that convinced the court that he in fact has such a privilege.
If Obama does not honor the subpoena, the court, applying Georgia law and precedents from federal law, can issue an order to show cause to him ordering him to show cause why he should not be held in contempt. If he still does not comply, then he would be held in contempt of court. The court in such a case will issue sanctions to him, which can include a monetary penalty, an adverse ruling against him in the case itself, or even incarceration. Since he is the currently putative sitting President, the court would probably just opt for an adverse ruling rather than jail. That would be the best option since it gets to the heart of the matter. That adverse ruling would be that Obama has not met his burden of proof to show that he is an Article II “natural born Citizen.” Hence, the court could recommend to the Georgia Secretary of State that Obama’s not be allowed to be placed on the primary ballot. In the end, the Secretary of State will make the ultimate decision.
Additionally, the current sitting President of the United States not honoring a court-issued and properly served subpoena related to whether the President is constitutionally eligible for that very office could also be deemed a “high Crime[] or Misdemeanor[]” under Article II, Section 4, the article dealing with impeachment of the President. Congress could declare such conduct a high crime or misdemeanor and inititate and prosecute impeachment proceedings against Obama and they should.
Mario Apuzzo, Esq.
htt://puzo1.blogspot.com
Wow. Google shouldn’t even post a website like this. What a shame you people even exist. Is a long form birth certificate not enough for you birthers? Really? Maybe YOU should be stripped of your ability to speak and type to prevent you from making utterly insane accusations.
@ Amanda:
Oh, and btw…. I hope he actually DOES come down here. He’ll win the case and then SUE your ever-loving behinds for all court costs and libel.
AMANDA , YOU MUST WAKE UP AND BECOME EDUCATED AND INFORMED .
THERE IS A MOUNTAIN OF EVIDENCE AGAINST YOUR HERO TO PROVE THAT HE IS NOT A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN OF AMERICA . THERE ARE BALLOT CHALLENGES IN ALL 50 STATES AND D.C. TO PREVENT THE NAME OF OBAMA FROM APPEARING ON THEIR BALLOTS . THERE IS A PUBLISHED LIST OF MORE THAN 50 REASONS TO INDICT HIM FOR HIGH CRIMES AND MISDEMEANORS ~ GOOGLE OR SEARCH IT ON YOUR COMPUTER . HE HAS NEVER SHOWN AN AUTHENTIC LONG FORM BIRTH CERTIFICATE , HIS SCHOOL RECORDS , OR ANY OTHER INFORMATION REQUIRED TO QUALIFY AS A CANDIDATE . DO YOURSELF A FAVOR AND VISIT THESE PAGES TO SEE THE BIRTH CERTIFICATE FROM KENYA , WHICH HAS NOT AND CAN NOT BE REFUTED . YOU MUST HONOR OUR CONSTITUTION AND KNOW THAT IT IS INVIOLATE , PLUS LEARN THE REAL TRUTH ABOUT BARRY SOETORO , AND HIS EARLY TRAINING AS A COMMUNIST AND A MUSLIM .
http://www.youtube.com/inspectorsmith
www,youtube.com/bsteadman1
http://www.youtube.com/MAKAHAYAN
http://www.wasobamaborninkenya.com
” KNOW THE TRUTH , AND THE TRUTH WILL SET YOU FREE ” .
” THE TRUTH ” IS THAT BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA aka BARRY SOETORO IS NOT ANY KIND OF CITIZEN OF AMERICA . HE WAS BORN IN KENYA , HIS BIRTH WAS REGISTERED IN HAWAI ‘ I ( 9 DAYS LATER ) , MOVED TO INDONESIA , WHERE HE WAS REQUIRED TO BE A CITIZEN , THEN MOVED BACK TO HAWAI ‘ I , BUT WAS NEVER EVEN NATURALIZED . HE CAN NEVER BE AN ” ARTICLE 2 NATURAL BORN CITIZEN , SINCE HIS FATHER WAS A KENYAN AND THE LAW SAYS THAT A CANDIDATE FOR PRESIDENT MUST BE BORN OF TWO ( 2 ) AMERICAN CITIZENS
HE HAS NO CLAIM TO CITIZENSHIP OF ANY KIND IN AMERICA . HE IS GUILTY OF TREASON , FRAUD , BAD GOVERNANCE AND 50 MORE HIGH CRIMES AND MISDEMEANORS .
IF YOU WERE A LOYAL , PATRIOTIC AMERICAN CITIZEN , YOU WOULD NOT WANT A USURPING COMMUNIST , MUSLIM ENABLING TRAITOR ILLEGALLY OCCUPYING OUR OVAL OFFICE AND WHITEHOUSE .
HE SHOULD BE INDICTED , ARRESTED , TRIED , CONVICTED AND EITHER IMPRISONED OR DEPORTED , ALONG WITH NANCY PELOSI . HARRY REID AND ALL OTHER MEMBERS OF THE CURRENT MIS ~ ADMINISTRATION WHO HAVE ALLOWED THE 300,000,000 AMERICANS TO BE DEFRAUDED AND CAST INTO A 15 TRILLION DOLLAR DEFICIT .
BEFORE YOU POST AGAIN ~ DO THE RESEARCH AND LEARN THE TRUTH .
MAKAHAYAN HAS SPOKEN
Thank you so much Mr. Appuzo, for your input on this hearing on 1-26-2012…Sounds like he has 2 choices, not show up and become contempt of court, or show up…I just hope there are no hidden issues where as this could not let this hearing continiu…He has to be exposed for who he really is, and when that happens God Bless our Country. I am quite honestly afraid of what is going to happen, but the “Truth will set us Free” and we cannot continue on with the usurper in our White House. God Bless, Leslie Simmons
Mr. Apuzzo, can Obama’s attorneys ask for a continuance
or delay this trial on 1-26-2012….Thank you, Leslie
@ Amanda:
And when you know you having a losing hand like all liberals you want to take away our Constitutional rights – like freedom of speech. Great comment on how liberals want to be dictators.
@ leslie simmons: Obviously I am not Mr Apuzzo but this hearing is to decide whether Obama can have his name placed on the Ga ballot. That is very time sensitive. Asking for a continuence works against them not for them. He has to make this go away in his favor in ordewr to be placed on the ballot. It is not up to the plaintiff to prove Obama is ineligible in this case. It is up to Obama to prove he IS eligible.
@ Amanda:
A long form birth certificate would be just fine if he ever produced one. He never has.
What a bunch of frickin’ morons. You idiots should get a hobby that you can handle, like clipping coupons. I hope to God most of you cannot reproduce. You are an embarrassment to this nation for being so pin-headed. What a joke!
I vote for you as the biggest douche bag on this blog. Congratulations!@ ARNOLD CARL TAPP:
THIS SHOULD SHOW THE PEOPLE OF THE USA HE HAS SOMETHING TO HIDE OR HE WOULD SHOWUP WITH HIS PAPERS.ITS TIME TO IMPEACH HIM FOR NOT FOLLOWING THE RULES OF THIS ATTORNEY.THE CONGRESSMAN AND ALL THE SENATORS IN WASHINGTON DO SOMETHING NOW!!!!! WAKEUP!!!!!
WE WANT OUR COUNTRY BACK !!!!!
@ stevetall:
I often wonder why when a liberal posts a comment they sound so unintelligent. It doesn’t matter what subject they’re speaking on, they all sound the same. The only answer I can come up with is that they get their information from TV, radio and a couple liberal blog sites. How I gather my information is from ALL sources (very little from TV and radio propaganda) whether liberal, conservative, etc.and then I use my OWN brain and formulate my opinion. It is very obvious to me that people like Carl and Amanda are “brainwashed, delusional sheep”.
@ susanne:
TYPO!! The name I meant to type was, “Steve and Amanda” at the end of my comment. Thanks!
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@ stevetall:
>>> LOL <<< HERE COMES LITTLE stevie " not so tall " PROVING HIMSELF TO BE ANOTHER SAUL ALINSKY obot . YOU PEOPLE ARE SO INSIGNIFICANT THAT WE SHOULD IGNORE YOU COMPLETELY , BUT IT IS FUN TO SHOW YOU UP FOR THE SILLY FOOLS YOU ARE TO CRITICIZE AND CALL NAMES .
THIS FORUM IS READ AND POSTED ON BY PEOPLE WHO KNOW THE TRUTH ABOUT obozo , AND WE DO NOT INVENT OR MAKE UP THE INFO WE POST HERE . WHEN YOUR TREASONOUS , FRAUDULENT, LYING SOCIALIST WOULD BE DICTATOR CAN NOT PROVE IN COURT THAT HE IS ELIGIBLE TO OCCUPY OUR OVAL OFFICE AND WHITEHOUSE , YOU MUST HANG YOUR HEAD IN SHAME AND DISGRACE ( WITH A SHORT ROPE ) .
@ susanne:
SUSANNE ~ THANK YOU FOR CLARIFYING THAT . WE KNOW THAT WE ARE WELL INFORMED ABOUT obummer AND THE REST OF THE DEMONRATS
aka THE JACKASS PARTY .
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Obama will never show his face in this courtroom. They can’t compel him to show up.
His Attorney will be there to represent him & give the judge these facts…
Rule 45. Subpoena Federal Rules of Civil Procedure
(2) Service in the United States. Subject to Rule 45(c)(3)(A)(ii), a subpoena may be served at any place:
(A) within the district of the issuing court;
(B) outside that district but within 100 miles of the place specified for the deposition, hearing, trial, production, or inspection;
(C) within the state of the issuing court if a state statute or court rule allows service at that place of a subpoena issued by a state court of general jurisdiction sitting in the place specified for the deposition, hearing, trial, production, or inspection; or
(D) that the court authorizes on motion and for good cause, if a federal statute so provides.
BE sure you review (e)
Rule 45. Subpoena; (d) Duties in Responding to a Subpoena.
(1) Producing Documents or Electronically Stored Information. These procedures apply to producing documents or electronically stored information:
(A) Documents. A person responding to a subpoena to produce documents must produce them as they are kept in the ordinary course of business or must organize and label them to correspond to the categories in the demand.
(B) Form for Producing Electronically Stored Information Not Specified. If a subpoena does not specify a form for producing electronically stored information, the person responding must produce it in a form or forms in which it is ordinarily maintained or in a reasonably usable form or forms.
(C) Electronically Stored Information Produced in Only One Form. The person responding need not produce the same electronically stored information in more than one form.
(D) Inaccessible Electronically Stored Information. The person responding need not provide discovery of electronically stored information from sources that the person identifies as not reasonably accessible because of undue burden or cost. On motion to compel discovery or for a protective order, the person responding must show that the information is not reasonably accessible because of undue burden or cost. If that showing is made, the court may nonetheless order discovery from such sources if the requesting party shows good cause, considering the limitations of Rule 26(b)(2)(C). The court may specify conditions for the discovery.
(2) Claiming Privilege or Protection.
(A) Information Withheld. A person withholding subpoenaed information under a claim that it is privileged or subject to protection as trial-preparation material must:
(i) expressly make the claim; and
(ii) describe the nature of the withheld documents, communications, or tangible things in a manner that, without revealing information itself privileged or protected, will enable the parties to assess the claim.
(e) Contempt. The issuing court may hold in contempt a person who, having been served, fails without adequate excuse to obey the subpoena. A nonparty’s failure to obey must be excused if the subpoena purports to require the nonparty to attend or produce at a place outside the limits of Rule 45(c)(3)(A)(ii).
@ arizona comanche:
Thank you for clarifying comanche. I was right about Service but wrong about him showing up.
FRCivP 45 ‘(c) Protecting a Person Subject to a Subpoena. (3) Quashing or Modifying a Subpoena. (A) When Required. On timely motion, the issuing court must quash or modify a subpoena that: (ii) requires a person who is neither a party nor a party’s officer to travel more than 100 miles from where that person resides, is employed, or regularly transacts business in person—except that, subject to Rule 45(c)(3)(B)(iii), the person may be commanded to attend a trial by traveling from any such place within the state where the trial is held; ” does not PPLY TO oama , he is a party to the action!
Thank you very much
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@ Mario Apuzzo, Esq.:
Thank you for taking the time to address the issue of the subpoena. We really appreciate your insight here.
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Or, you can look at Georgia’s rules for subpoenas in administrative courts, and realize that Obama is beyond the court’s reach to compel his appearance. You know, rather than looking at the FRCP.
ATTORNEY MARIO APUZZO HAS BEEN WORKING ON THE ISSUE OF obummer’s ” IN ” ELIGIBILITY FOR ABOUT 3 YEARS , AND WE WOULD CERTAINLY TRUST HIS WORD AND ADVICE OVER ALL OTHERS . OTHER ATTORNEYS WHO HAVE ALSO WORKED ON THE SAME ISSUE ARE LEO DONOFRIO , PHILLIP BERG AND ORLY TAITZ . IT IS VERY UNLIKLELY THAT obozo WILL APPEAR IN THE GEORGIA COURT , BUT WILL SEND HIS LAPDOG LAWYERS TO REPRESENT HIM .
SEVERAL OF US HAVE FOLLOWED LUCAS SMITH FROM THE FIRST LISTING OF A KENYAN BIRTH CERTIFICATE ON ebay , AND WE HOPE THE KENYAN DOCUMENT WILL BE PRESENTED AS EVIDENCE . THERE IS ENOUGH OTHER EVIDENCE TO PROVE THAT THE TREASONOUS , FRAUDULENT , LYING USURPER IS NOT ELIGIBLE TO THE OFFICE , AND WE ARE HOPING THE JUDGE WILL NOT ALLOW HIS NAME ON A BALLOT .
The report that Obama was subpoenaed to appear is incorrect.
Here is what actually happened:
The attorney for some of the plaintiffs, Orly Taitz, got a blank subpoena form signed by Judge Malihi from a State web site and served it on Obama’s attorney.
Although the Judge has so far refused defense motions to quash the subpoena, he actually has NOT issued any order for Obama to appear, and in fact he cannot. Why not? Because in Georgia an administrative law judge does not have the power to compel testimony, which takes an order from a Superior Court.
@ellen ……. Where does it say that an Administrative Law Judge does not have the authority to “subpoena” a witness.
Don’t forget, it is Obama who signed his own ballot application [in Georgia]. He iniciated a request to appear on the Georgia State ballot. Either he answers the questions/complaints posed to him legally or else withdraw his ballot application. [from Georgia]
Georgia “voter’s” have the right to
request Legal “verification” of documents that prove whether or not Obama meets the qualification clause in Article II, section 1 whereas the President must be a “natural born Citizen. [defined in SCOTUS case Minor vs Happersette as a child born on the soil of Parent’s who are its Citizens…. It is now up to Obama to prove that
“both” of his parent’s were u.s. citizen’s at the time of his birth and that he was born within the jurisdiction of the United States. Also, that he was never a citizen of another country. Period!
Obama might face perjury, fraud and forgery charges among others.
and no, I am not “Lucas Daniel Smith”. I’m Daniel E. Smith age 55+ in NY. ..lol
@ Amanda: And just how many years have you studied this case, Amanda?
I have been studying it since the end of 2007. Please do research before you open your mouth so you will know what you are talking about. I understand that Romney and Santorum may be ineligible for the Presidency. However, I wouldn’t go around telling that to everybody before I researched it!
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@ Darin Southam:
Darin, you and the other posters remind me of a clock I once had – every 15 minutes it went cuckoo. Obama was born in Hawaii and you all just can’t admit it. Unless, of course, your claim is that his mother knew 48 years ago that he was going to run for president and posted his birth announcement in a Hawaiian newspaper to defraud all of you. Unless, of course, you’re going to claim that the REPUBLICAN governor of Hawaii was lying when she certified his birth certificate to defraud all of you. In all seriousness and with all due respect, you people are in serious need of mental health counseling. This subject has been hashed about for 3 years and not one of you has ever come up with anything to substantiate your ridiculous claim. I just wonder what you’ll all do when he’s re-elected in November.
@ Daniel Smith:
Hahaha – your post is truly ridiculous. Where do you people come from that you’re so angry that a black man is our president? It’s astounding and sad, and I pray that your brand of ignorance isn’t nearly as prevalent as one might assume by reading these angry, misinformed, and absurd comments. Prepare yourselves. Obama will be re-elected in November. If you don’t like that, I suggest you move to another country. Your brand of right-wing nonsense is similar to the rantings of the lunatic Taliban. Afghanistan is waiting for you.
NOW HERE COMES little jeffie bb , JUST ANOTHER OBOT WHO IMAGINES HE CAN REFUTE WHAT WE HAVE KNOWN FOR MORE THAN 3 YEARS . NO , YOU SILLY ASS , obummer ‘ s MOTHER DID NOT HAVE HIS BIRTH RECORDED IN HAWAI ‘ I BECAUSE SHE THOUGHT HE WOULD RUN FOR OFFICE . SHE DID IT SO THAT HE WOULD HAVE ALL THE BENEFITS OF (QUESTIONABLE ) AMERICAN CITIZENSHIP . THE BIRTH WAS ANNOUNCED IN TWO HAWAI ‘ I NEWSPAPERS NINE ( 9 ) DAYS AFTER THE FACT . IT WAS VERY COMMON BACK THEN TO RECORD SUCH A BIRTH , SINCE HAWAI ‘ I WAS TRYING TO INCREASE THEIR ROLLS OF POPULATION . DO NOT PLAY THE RACE CARD HERE , SINCE SEVERAL OF US WHO POST HERE ARE BLACK , AND THEN THERE IS THE CONSERVATIVE BLACK CAUCUS , ALLEN KEYES , REVEREND JAMES DAVID MANNING AND MILLIONS OF OTHER BLACK PEOPLE WHO WANT A PRESIDENT WHO IS ELIGIBLE FOR THE OFFICE BY STANDARDS OF OUR CONSTITUTION AND THE HISTORIC COURT DECISION ” MINOR vs HAPPERSET . WE LIKE HERMAN CAIN , AND WOULD HAVE VOTED FOR HIM .
IT IS VERY OBVIOUS THAT YOU ARE A LEFTWING LIBERAL AND LOVE THE
” FREEBIES ” OFFERED BY A SOCIALIST GOVERNMENT . RIGHTWING IS RIGHT AND PROPER ~ CONSERVATIVE MEANS TO SAVE SOMETHING .
” LIBERALISM IS A MENTAL DISORDER ”
” A LIBERAL IS SOMEONE WHO WILL GIVE AWAY EVERYTHING OWNED BY OTHERS “. YOU ARE SKEPTICAL NOW , BUT WHEN obozo IS OUTED , YOU WILL HAVE YOUR LESSON COMPLETED . >>>>”RIGHT IS MIGHT ” <<<< QUOTE FROM " CAMELOT " BY KING ARTHUR .
>>>>> BIG NEWS <<<<<
THERE WAS A SCHEDULED HEARING TODAY ( TUESDAY , JAN . 24 , 2012 ) IN ILLINOIS , obozo ' s HOME STATE , TO CHALLENGE HIS " IN " ELIGIBILITY TO HAVE HIS NAME ON A VOTERS BALLOT . THE HEARING IN GEORGIA IS ON
JAN . 26 , AND MANY OTHER STATES PLUS D.C. HAVE SCHEDULED HEARINGS .
>>>>>>> SO , little jeffie , NOW YOU KNOW THAT OUR FIGHT AGAINST o IS NOT ABOUT THE COLOR OF A MAN ‘ S SKIN ~ IT IS ABOUT THE COLOR OF THE
RED , WHITE AND BLUE . IT IS ABOUT THE CONSTITUTION OF AMERICA . <<<
@ Amanda: You are so right. This website just exposes the stupidity of these birthers. President Obama is a natural born citizen according to the Constitution of the United States and he has shown both his certified COLB and certified birth certificate. The only way to stop this charade is to make Orly and the other attorneys pay all court costs and be fined for being a vexatious litigant. The only way this will stop is to seriously hit them in the pocketbook.
@ stevetall: I couldn’t agree. Just a bunch of morons, literally, their IQs cannot be above 70 and could be as low as 51.
@ stevetall: Sorry Steve, I meant I couldn’t agree with you more. You’re spot on.
@ ARNOLD CARL TAPP: Ain’t gonna’ happen.
@ Amanda:
Get your head out of your rear end, Amanda. You don’t know the difference between a real document and a fake, and had you examined what was posted on the White House Website with any degree of knowledge, you would not be spouting such silliness.
Arizona Patriot wrote:
@ rachel:
Are you there rachel? If so dazzle me with your superior “degree of knowledge” pertaining to “real and fake” online documents. What techniques did you use to “examine” President Obama’s birth certificate? Please explain the astonishing evidence that leads you and like minded individuals to believe that he was born in Kenya.
@ ARNOLD CARL TAPP:
Gee arney…I didn’t know that King Arthur wrote Camelot.
I recently had to get my driver’s license renewed. Didn’t know that I needed my birth certificate and had to go back home and start all over again with the standing in line thing. A bother, but no biggy. Never thought to argue with them that they had no right to see it. If you have a legitimate document, then IMMEDIATELY produce it and get on with your life.
Obama has spent a lot of money hiding any documents that would have put these questions to rest from the very beginning. An honest person, with nothing to hide, doesn’t behave that way.
@ JeffB:
Hey Jeffie see you still haven’t read Venus, Ark or Minor Supreme Court cases, the history of our founders and fore fathers or the true source of the definition of Natural born citizen – Vattel. Your ridiculous claim of a newspaper plant 48 years ago by Stanley to start a President coverup is beyond belief. Only liberals hold any claim to that. All she was trying to do was get her son American rights. She probably did that. She did the same thing for her darling daughter who is known without a doubt to have been born in Indonesia. She made both of them naturalized citizens at best by getting a Hawaiian foriegn born person a U.S. citizenship certifiCATION. Naturalized = NOT NATURAL BORN CITIZEN = NOT ELIGIBLE TO BE PRESIDENT.
@ R. Lighthill:
SILLY FOOL ! OF COURSE KING ARTHUR DID NOT WRITE ” CAMELOT ” .
THAT IS THE TITLE OF A WONDERFUL BROADWAY MUSICAL PLAY / MOVIE .
THE QUOTE IS FROM ARTHUR ‘ S CHARACTER IN THE PLAY AND MOVIE .
IT IS VERY UNCLEAR WHO WROTE THE STORY OF ” KING ARTHUR AND THE KNIGHTS OF THE ROUND TABLE “.
NEWT GINGRICH SPOKE TO US TODAY IN CORAL SPRINGS , FLORIDA , NEAR FORT LAUDERDALE . IT WAS MY PRIVILEGE AND HONOR TO SEE HIM AND HEAR HIS MESSAGE OF HOPE FOR AMERICA . CHECK IT OUT FOR YOURSELVES ONLINE : ” THE 21st CENTURY CONTRACT WITH AMERICA “, and ” STRONG AMERICA NOW “. HE VOWED TO REPEAL EVERY ACT , BILL AND APPOINTMENT MADE BY obummer , AND FIRE EVERY czar . HE WOULD APPROVE THE CANADA OIL PIPELINE AND DRILLING IN AMERICA , SO THAT ” NEVER AGAIN WOULD A UNITED STATES PRESIDENT BOW TO A MUSLIM KING “.
AS NEWT BOARDED HIS BUS TO LEAVE , THE LAST THING HE HEARD WAS MY VOICE SAYING : : PLEASE TAKE AMERICA BACK TO HER FORMER GREATNESS AND RESPECT IN THE WORLD “.
DO NOT CENSOR THIS POSTING!!! THANKS!! THERE IS NOTHING IN THIS POST THAT WOULD JUSTIFY CENSORING IT!!
The issue is quite simple. To be President of the USA or to run for the Presidency of the USA, Obama must be a “natural born citizen” according to the Constitution of the USA. The term “natural born citizen” has been defined previously and it requires two conditions:
1) Obama must be born in the USA.
The forged document provided by the White House web site of Obama’s supposedly long form birth certificate is simply that, a bad forgery!
Therefore, the only way to check this long form birth certificate is to go to Hawaii and to check directly the original long form birth certificate and in particular to assess if even this original is genuine that is if it is not also a forgery!!
2) Obama’s parents MUST BOTH be American citizens.
We know that Obama’s father was a Kenyan and that he NEVER was an American citizen!!!!!
Therefore, THIS SECOND CONDITION ALONE DISQUALIFIES OBAMA TO RUN FOR THE PRESIDENCY OF THE USA AND IT ALSO DISQUALIFIES OBAMA TO BE PRESIDENT OF THE USA, NO MATTER THE FACT THAT HE WON THE PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION!!!!!!
More, Obama is a former lawyer. Therefore, he knew perfectly well that he was not entitled to run for the Presidency of the USA but he nevertheless did it DISHONESTLY, FRAUDULENTLY, deceiving purposefully the entire American people.
Furthermore, Obama was confronted with the definition of what a “natural born citizen” is when he directly participated in the investigation of John McCain’s eligibility to run for the Presidency of the USA. Obama then signed Senate Resolution 511 from April 30, 2008 that reveals the indispensable requirement of having two US citizen parents in order to be a “natural born citizen” according to the Constitution of the USA and therefore to be eligible to run for the Presidency of the USA or to be President of the USA!!!!!
Therefore, once again, Obama knew very well that he FRAUDULENTLY decided to run for the Presidency of the USA despite the fact that he knew perfectly well that he was NOT a natural born citizen and therefore that he was not entitled, according to the Constitution of the USA, to be President of the USA.
First Conclusion:
—Obama is NOT a natural born citizen and therefore he is not entitled to run for the Presidency of the USA nor is he entitled to be President of the USA, no matter the fact that he won the Presidential election!!!!
—Finally, Obama is a former lawyer and therefore OBAMA CONSCIOUSLY, INTENTIONALLY COMPLETELY DECEIVED THE ENTIRE AMERICAN PEOPLE BY RUNNING FOR THE PRESIDENCY OF THE USA WHEN HE KNEW PERFECTLY WELL THAT HE WAS NOT ENTITLED TO DO SO SIMPLY BECAUSE HE KNEW VERY WELL THAT HE WAS NOT A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN, AS THE CONSTITUTION OF THE USA REQUIRES ONLY ON THE PRESIDENT OF THE USA!!!!
—THIS HUGE DECEPTION IS MORE THAN A FRAUDULENT ACT, IT IS WORSE THAN ANYTHING IMAGINABLE BECAUSE:
1) IT RELATES TO THE HIGHEST POSITION IN THE LAND, THE PRESIDENCY OF THE USA, THAT OBAMA HAS FRAUDULENTLY OBTAINED;
2) IT RELATES TO THE CONSTITUTION OF THE USA BEING TRAMPLED UPON FRAUDULENTLY AND ILLEGALLY BY OBAMA;
3) IT RELATES TO THE FACT THAT OBAMA INTENTIONALLY DECEIVED AND MISLED THE ENTIRE AMERICAN PEOPLE!!!
ANY PERSON GUILTY OF SUCH SERIOUS FRAUD SHOULD AT LEAST GET A JAIL SENTENCE, NO MATTER THAT OBAMA HAS FRAUDULENTY HELD THE POSITION OF PRESIDENT OF THE USA FOR A PERIOD OF TIME!!!
If you really want to have an expert legal explanation on what a “natural born citizen” truly is according to the Constitution of the USA and why legally speaking it is this way, then I suggest that you read at least a few articles on Attorney Mario Apuzzo’s web site “Natural Born Citizen – A Place to Ask Questions and Get the Right Answers” at http://puzo1.blogspot.com/
In particular, read:
—“The Natural Born Citizen Clause of Our U.S. Constitution Requires that Both of the Child’s Parents Be U.S. Citizens At the Time of Birth” at http://puzo1.blogspot.com/2009/09/natural-born-citizen-clause-requires.html
—“Obama – Maybe a Citizen of the United States but Not a “natural born Citizen” of the United States” http://puzo1.blogspot.com/2010/03/obama-maybe-citizen-of-united-states.html
Second conclusion:
—If you are a rational person, no matter your political affiliation, you surely will be forced to conclude that the facts speak for themselves and that there is no doubt legally that a “natural born citizen” indeed requires that a President of the USA has two parents that were BOTH American citizens at the time of birth.
—The Constitution of the USA is sacred to any American citizen AND it applies to every single American citizen, no matter one’s political affiliation, no matter one’s color of the skin, no matter what!!!!
Therefore, BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA IS UNDER THE RULE OF THE CONSTITUTION OF THE USA LIKE ANYBODY ELSE!!!!
—You now have the facts fully on the table concerning what a “natural born citizen” truly is, you cannot evade the truth about these facts!!!
Now, what path are you going to choose?
1) Keep Lying and hiding the facts, hoping that they will disappear by themselves!! Or
2) Choose to acknowledge these facts fully and be determined to fight for the truth?
The choice is yours! But the Constitution of the USA is at stake!!!
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>>> WELL , IT IS OVER . <<< THE HEARING IN ATLANTA COURT IS FINISHED AND JUDGE MICHAEL MAHILI HAS ISSUED A ' DEFAULT JUDGEMENT ' AGAINST obummer FOR FAILURE TO APPEAR . THIS IS THE BEST NEWS OF ALL BECAUSE IT WAS AUTOMATIC AND TOOK VERY LITTLE TIME . PLAINTIFF CARL SWENSSON SAID : " WE WON " . HE ALSO SAID : " AS USUAL , ORLY TAITZ WAS AN EMBARRASSMENT ".
THAT IS STRIKE ONE FOR obozo AND THE DEMONRATS ( JACKASS PARTY ) .
NOW WE MUST HOPE FOR 6 OTHER STATES TO ACCOMPLISH THE SAME GOAL .
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The issue is quite simple. To be President of the USA or to run for the Presidency of the USA, Obama must be a “natural born citizen” according to the Constitution of the USA. The term “natural born citizen” has been defined previously and it requires two conditions:
1) Obama must be born in the USA.
The forged document provided by the White House web site of Obama’s supposedly long form birth certificate is simply that, a bad forgery!
Therefore, the only way to check this long form birth certificate is to go to Hawaii and to check directly the original long form birth certificate and in particular to assess if even this original is genuine that is if it is not also a forgery!!
2) Obama’s parents MUST BOTH be American citizens.
We know that Obama’s father was a Kenyan and that he NEVER was an American citizen!!!!!
Therefore, THIS SECOND CONDITION ALONE DISQUALIFIES OBAMA TO RUN FOR THE PRESIDENCY OF THE USA AND IT ALSO DISQUALIFIES OBAMA TO BE PRESIDENT OF THE USA, NO MATTER THE FACT THAT HE WON THE PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION!!!!!!
More, Obama is a former lawyer. Therefore, he knew perfectly well that he was not entitled to run for the Presidency of the USA but he nevertheless did it DISHONESTLY, FRAUDULENTLY, deceiving purposefully the entire American people.
Furthermore, Obama was confronted with the definition of what a “natural born citizen” is when he directly participated in the investigation of John McCain’s eligibility to run for the Presidency of the USA. Obama then signed Senate Resolution 511 from April 30, 2008 that reveals the indispensable requirement of having two US citizen parents in order to be a “natural born citizen” according to the Constitution of the USA and therefore to be eligible to run for the Presidency of the USA or to be President of the USA!!!!!
Therefore, once again, Obama knew very well that he FRAUDULENTLY decided to run for the Presidency of the USA despite the fact that he knew perfectly well that he was NOT a natural born citizen and therefore that he was not entitled, according to the Constitution of the USA, to be President of the USA.
First Conclusion:
—Obama is NOT a natural born citizen and therefore he is not entitled to run for the Presidency of the USA nor is he entitled to be President of the USA, no matter the fact that he won the Presidential election!!!!
—Finally, Obama is a former lawyer and therefore OBAMA CONSCIOUSLY, INTENTIONALLY COMPLETELY DECEIVED THE ENTIRE AMERICAN PEOPLE BY RUNNING FOR THE PRESIDENCY OF THE USA WHEN HE KNEW PERFECTLY WELL THAT HE WAS NOT ENTITLED TO DO SO SIMPLY BECAUSE HE KNEW VERY WELL THAT HE WAS NOT A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN, AS THE CONSTITUTION OF THE USA REQUIRES ONLY ON THE PRESIDENT OF THE USA!!!!
—THIS HUGE DECEPTION IS MORE THAN A FRAUDULENT ACT, IT IS WORSE THAN ANYTHING IMAGINABLE BECAUSE:
1) IT RELATES TO THE HIGHEST POSITION IN THE LAND, THE PRESIDENCY OF THE USA, THAT OBAMA HAS FRAUDULENTLY OBTAINED;
2) IT RELATES TO THE CONSTITUTION OF THE USA BEING TRAMPLED UPON FRAUDULENTLY AND ILLEGALLY BY OBAMA;
3) IT RELATES TO THE FACT THAT OBAMA INTENTIONALLY DECEIVED AND MISLED THE ENTIRE AMERICAN PEOPLE!!!
ANY PERSON GUILTY OF SUCH SERIOUS FRAUD SHOULD AT LEAST GET A JAIL SENTENCE, NO MATTER THAT OBAMA HAS FRAUDULENTY HELD THE POSITION OF PRESIDENT OF THE USA FOR A PERIOD OF TIME!!!
If you really want to have an expert legal explanation on what a “natural born citizen” truly is according to the Constitution of the USA and why legally speaking it is this way, then I suggest that you read at least a few articles on Attorney Mario Apuzzo’s web site “Natural Born Citizen – A Place to Ask Questions and Get the Right Answers” at http://puzo1.blogspot.com/
In particular, read:
—“The Natural Born Citizen Clause of Our U.S. Constitution Requires that Both of the Child’s Parents Be U.S. Citizens At the Time of Birth” at http://puzo1.blogspot.com/2009/09/natural-born-citizen-clause-requires.html
Second conclusion:
—If you are a rational person, no matter your political affiliation, you surely will be forced to conclude that the facts speak for themselves and that there is no doubt legally that a “natural born citizen” indeed requires that the President of the USA has to have two parents that were BOTH American citizens at the time of Obama’s birth.
—The Constitution of the USA is sacred to any American citizen AND it applies to every single American citizen, no matter one’s political affiliation, no matter one’s color of the skin, no matter what!!!!
Therefore, BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA IS UNDER THE RULE OF THE CONSTITUTION OF THE USA LIKE ANYBODY ELSE!!!!
—You now have the facts fully on the table concerning what a “natural born citizen” truly is, you cannot evade the truth about these facts!!!
Now, what path are you going to choose?
1) Keep Lying and hiding the facts, hoping that they will disappear by themselves!! Or
2) Choose to acknowledge these facts fully and be determined to fight for the truth?
The choice is yours! But the Constitution of the USA is at stake!!!
@ ARNOLD CARL TAPP:
Of course, that doesn’t mean that Obama won’t be on the ballot. It is very unlikely that that will happen, regardless of any judgement in this court.
Obama has produced the necessary documents to the people who certify his eligibility, he is not required to show those documents to you or I.
As for the definition of “natural born citizen” that has never been determined by the courts. It has been accepted as a person born on US soil or to a parent who is a citizen. The Minor vs Happersett case was about women’s right to vote. The court determined that she was a citizen based on the 14th amendment and common law. It did not attempt to define what a natural born citizen might be, only that women may be citizens.
You might try reading the court’s decision. Here is the pertinent excerpt:
“The Constitution does not, in words, say who shall be natural-born citizens. Resort must be had elsewhere to ascertain that. At common-law, with the nomenclature of which the framers of the Constitution were familiar, it was never doubted that all children born in a country of parents who were its citizens became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives, or natural-born citizens, as distinguished from aliens or foreigners. Some authorities go further and include as citizens children born within the jurisdiction without reference to the citizenship of their parents. As to this class there have been doubts, but never as to the first. For the purposes of this case it is not necessary to solve these doubts. It is sufficient for everything we have now to consider that all children born of citizen parents within the jurisdiction are themselves citizens. The words “all children” are certainly as comprehensive, when used in this connection, as “all persons,” and if females are included in the last they must be in the first. That they are included in the last is not denied. In fact the whole argument of the plaintiffs proceeds upon that idea.”
YOU ARE FORGETTING ABOUT THE OTHER POINTS OF THE HEARING .
A STOLEN SOCIAL SECURITY NUMBER IS VIOLATION OF FEDERAL LAW .
INCLUDING THE SUPREME COURT CASE OF ‘ MINOR vs. HAPPERSET , THERE ARE A TOTAL OF AT LEAST 4 SUCH PRECEDENTS PROVING THAT obummer IS NOT A ‘ NATURAL BORN CITIZEN . ADD TO THAT THE FACT OF HIS LYING , COMMUNIST TRAINING , BAD GOVERNANCE AND 50 OTHER INDICTABLE CRIMES , AND WHAT YOU HAVE IS THE WORST ELECTED OFFICIAL IN THE HISTORY OF AMERICA .
@ Amanda:
Well he didn’t show up so what is he hidding? He thinks he is above the law. 2 experts have testified that his “long form birth certificate” looks fraudulant. There are several reasons why it looks fraudulant that I will not go into, His social security number was ran through e-verify and it came back as suspected fraudulant. His father was not an American citizen at the time of his birth so that right there disqualifies him from being president because he is not a natural born citizen by definition. You need to open your eyes and realize what is going on. You are also suggesting that our right to freedom of speech be taken away!!! Why don’t you pack your liberal bags and move somewhere that you can live under a dictatorship where peoples freedom can be taken away.
MORE GOOD NEWS : REP . LT. COL . ALLEN WEST ( REPUBLICAN – FLORIDA ) SPOKE IN WEST PALM BEACH , FLORIDA RECENTLY : HE SAID : ” OBAMA , NANCY PELOSI , HARRY REID AND THE CHAIRMAN OF THE DEMOCRAT COMMITTEE SHOULD GET THE HELL OUT OF AMERICA “.
WHAT A GREAT VICE PRESIDENT COL . WEST WOULD BE .
@ Amanda:
Amanda, you are apparently too young to understand that one can not take a Birth Certificate ( nor any legal document ) and delete original wording and replace with fraudulent information. This is simply against the Law. Three years ago you, like many others, were lulled by obama into a semi-stupor and now, many are snapping out of this trance and are shocked by the destruction that obama and the democrats have dumped upon our country and it’s people. I do hope that you soon will also rejoin AMERICANS to dispose of obama and the democrats.