My attorney Loren Chirstopher Collins (born June 22, 1978), of the Law Office of W. Bryant Green, in Atlanta Georgia has skipped out on his offer of free pro bono legal service, aide and advocacy. I find this to be, at best, an ethically troubling incident.
Further attorney Loren Collins violated attorney-client privilege by publishing the alleged findings of his faux investigation into my extradition to Kenya by publishing these findings online for others to see:
Moreover, his findings would not be supported using even the flimsiest of standards of evidence which is called the some evidence rule which is sometimes used in adminstrative hearings and review of such hearings.
There is no evidence to support attorneys Loren Christopher Collins’ libelous findings.
Equally troubling is that it appears, even to the most resolute of skeptics, that attorney Loren Christopher Collins used his license to practice law unethcially and disingenuously as a tool to elicit information from me while making what were, from the very outset, empty promises of free pro bono legal services, aide and advocacy which were structured as an incentive for me to elicit information which Loren uses for private purposes such as, though not limited to, blogging.
Atlanta attorney Loren Christopher Collins offered me his legal services, pro bono, on or about he 18th day of April 2014:
Todays date is the 10th day of May 2014 and it has been approximately twenty-two (22) days since attorney Loren Christopher Collins made his offer of free legal services and to date the said attorney has not provided me with any legal services.
Attorney Loren Collins of of the Law Office of W. Bryant Green, in Atlanta Georgia has not helped me in marshalling a defense to extradition charges and he has now wasted twenty two (22) precious days which is time lost that could have been used to help marhsall a defence or explore all legal options. Moreover, attorney Collins has now skipped out on his offer of free legal service and violated attorney-client privilege by publishing his findings letter online for others to see.
I, as well as others who I have been communicating with, view the foregoing twenty two (22) days of conduct by attorney Loren Christopher Collins, of the Law Office of W. Bryant Green, in Atlanta Georgia to be an ethically troubling incident.
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You knew what I find ethically troubling?
Conning an old man out of his money with a fake extradition scheme.
I find it funny that Lucas talks about the some evidence rule considering nothing Lucas has ever presented whether about his non-existent extradition to his kenyan certificate forgery would qualify under the “flimsiest of standards of evidence”
Well, golly, maybe you should have provided your “attorney” with the bare necessities of investigating your case to prepare your defense. You know, like the case number and prosecuting authority. Stuff like that.
He didn’t skip out on you. You failed to meet up with your side of the agreement.
You came to him under false pretenses, so anything else you say on the matter is moot.
Equally troubling is that it appears, even to the most resolute of skeptics, that attorney Loren Christopher Collins used his license to practice law unethcially and disingenuously
There are no “skeptics” that believe this. There are simply those of us that know that you are lying and those that are stupid enough to actually believe you without confirming for themselves that you are lying.
Don’t take my word for it. The link below provides email addresses for various officials in the Kenyan police. I would recommend that those who actually believe in Lucas’ story send an email to info@kenyapolice.go.ke and ask if there is a Lucas Smith from the United States wanted for bribery charges anywhere in the country. You will get a reply within two to three days.
http://www.kenyapolice.go.ke/email_contacts.asp
Lucas is a Con ( and not even an artist at it ) wrote:
Fancy that! Our side has a smoking gun, where as Lucas and company are just shooting blanks.
Llds thinks that when a person offers help to prove his (?) claim, that person becomes Llds’ bitch.
That is why Llds is so bad at this.
Learn to write
Learn to grift
Learn something you worthless douche
where’s the misconduct Mr.Lucas ?
where’s the agreement you and Mr.Collins have signed ?
is he your lawyer ?
Mr. Collins certainly has “earth-shattering” evidence from the Suprema Corte, and most likely he will post it soon. He probably also has received answers form the Kenyan authorities he contacted.
so how do you expect to dig yourself out of this, Mr.Smith ?
@ Greatkim:
As a US citizen Kim you should already know that here in the Unites States verbal contracts are just as valid as written ones. Its very clear, from what Loren has written online, that attorney Collins and I have entered into attorney-client.
Lucas…
The first step that an attorney actually does is find out whether or not there’s actually a extradiction taking place. As a result, he contacted the American Embassy in Santo Domingo, which then contacted the Dominican Police. Both of them said that there was no extradition going on. Guess what that means, there’s NO EXTRADITION GOING ON. Or do you think that the Dominican Police would lie to the U.S. Ambassador’s office about a U.S. Citizen? He repeatedly requested that you provide him with information that would do it for you, such as a case number, so he can get started.
As far as the attorney-client privilage, you waived that by insisting that a third-party be informed.
Let’s review what transpired here. After Mr. Smith posted a claim that he was under extradition from Kenya and also posted a Dominican document that proved nothing related to the claimed extradition Attorney Collins extended an offer to represent Mr. Smith pro bono in the supposed extradition matter. Mr. Smith accepted the offer and Mr. Collins then said he would draft a representation agreement. Smith had already made the unusual request that a third party be copied on all communication between them. Mr. Steadman never agreed to that request by Mr. Smith.
Instead of waiting for Mr. Collins to draft a contract Mr. Smith posted a ridiculous proposed agreement that no attorney in is right mind would sign that had the singular purpose of preventing Mr. Collins of finding out whether Smith was under extradition. By putting out these conditions for agreeing to Mr. Collins representing him Mr. Smith voided any prior verbal contract that may have existed by adding conditions that Mr. Collins (and any competent attorney) would find intolerable.
Mr. Collins then took it upon himself to contact public officials in the Dominican Republic to inquire about the supposed extradition and found that there was no extradition pending. I am not sure what Mr. Smith expected Mr. Collins to do for him. He was completely uncooperative and provided none of the basic information that Mr. Collins requested. In the end since there was never any extradition there was nothing for Mr. Collins to do.
However, there are still hypothetical questions relating the legality of someone using the story of a faked extradition to extract money from a US citizen from Georgia under apparently false pretenses. I will leave it to the attorneys and government officials to determine if that hypothetical situation would violate any laws even if the victim was too clueless to realize he has been conned. Would an attorney from Georgia who was tangentially involved and had knowledge of this deed be bound to report it to the authorities? This discussion is hypothetical of course but poses some interesting questions.
@ Lucas Daniel Smith:
Simply corresponding does not make you enter “attorney-client” (what ?).
There is no oral agreement whatsoever.
an interesting video from Italian Police
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UG6qcUBpGy8
in a joint operation Dominican and Italian Police on April 28th arrested Mafia boss Nicola Pignatelli in Santo Domingo. The video clearly shows Italian policemen (Polizia is Italian) at Dominican Interpol Headquarters (Oficina Nacional Interpol) visible after 45 sec.
here is an article from the Dominican Press
http://www.elcaribe.com.do/2014/04/28/interpol-apresa-italiano-senalado-como-jefe-mafia-
so no Suprema Corte involved. Only police forces. Expulsion within 24hours. Pignatelli returned to Italy escorted by Italian policemen.
pls als note than the interpol database contains 155,000 names. Only the most wanted list is public.
Interpol:
http://www.interpol.int/
Here is a link to the Dominican Office of Interpol
http://www.mip.gob.do/Portals/0/docs/Oficina%20de%20la%20INTERPOL.pdf
Mr Smith,
Loren was very upfront about what you had to do in order from him to be able to represent you. You had to provide sufficent documentation so that he knew if he could represent you, and determine the scope of the representation. This is standard fare when retaining an attorney. Even if the attorney determined he could not represent you, these exchanges would be deemed privileged. You very publicly refused. You provided a proposed retainer. Loren rejected it. Loren then provided you with a series of conditions (i.e. documentation) that he would need in order to determine the scope of the representation. You refused. So by no objective standard could you say that there was offer and acceptance, so no, there was not even an oral contract.
You also conducted your business with Loren openly on this forum. That constitues subject matter waiver of any privilege you may have been entitled to on this particular matter. You see the way it works, is you don’t get to pick very narrow parts of the the relationship you wish to waive privilege. When you publicly waive part of a subject matter by openly discussing it on your blog, you waive the whole subject matter. Furthermore, attorney client privilege offers no protection where the client is attempting to use the services of an attorney to commit or continue fraud. And of course that is even based on the assumption that there was an attorney client relationship, or a disclosure of anything that could be considred an attorney client communication.
Mr. Smith. Loren isn’t the only person who has looked into the details of your alleged extradicition. Fact of the matter is all evidence points to the fact that this is yet another LDS scam. You have produced not an iota of evidence to support your claims, and everyone who has looked into the claim has found that the very people who should know about it, haven’t heard of you. You’re a grifter, and not a very good one at that.
Great Kim wrote:
Actually, no, the database is not merely “most wanted.” It’s everyone INTERPOL has issued a Red Notice on. A Red Notice is issued when a member state requests INTERPOL’s assitance with locating an individual for the purposes of extradition. In other words, if the person is believed to be within the country’s own jurisdiction, there is no need for a Red Notice. If the person is known to be outside the country, even if they know where he is, they will request a Red Notice (you’ll note there is a Red Notice for Roman Polanski). So INTERPOL isn’t interested in the worst criminals around the world (there are Red Notices for individuals wanted for theft and forgery), they are interested in criminals that have crossed international borders fleeing justice. So think about it….155k individuals where extradiction is being sought. That’s actually a pretty big number actually.
JoZeppy wrote:
N0. A Red Notice is issued, for various purposes, following request by Interpol governing body.
You might want to read Art 72 of the Interpol Statute.
What I want to say is that someone could be in the database without being red noticed.
The case of the Italian MAfioso I mentioned is an example of this. The mafioso has been arrested on April 28th 2014 – and he is not on the public Red List which is updated to Dec 2013. The Italian Police was obviously working for his expulsion from SD but, for reasons we don’t know had deemed not to have him inserted in the “most wanted list”. Here is the Statute
http://www.coe.int/t/dghl/standardsetting/dataprotection/tpd_documents/R%C3%A8glement%20INTERPOL_en.pdf
.Great Kim wrote:
No…you may want to read
Article 82: Purpose of red notices
Red notices are published at the request of a National Central Bureau or an international entity with powers of investigation and prosecution in criminal matters in order to seek the location of a wanted person and his/her detention, arrest or restriction of movement for the purpose of extradition, surrender, or similar lawful action.
Great Kim wrote:
It is possible. There are criteria in Article 83 for publication of a Red Notice. There also instances where countries will work directly with eachother to apprehend a known fugitive, and not resort to interpol.
However, are there instances where a country will seek the extradiction of a national of a third state, and deny it when asked, AND the country from which extradiction is sought will then have public hearings, yet denies the person’s extradition is being sought, AND the embassay of the person being sought, after inquiry to the nation from which extradition is being sought, also deny the existence of extradition proceedings? Well, maybe if they were seeing to apprehend and then extradite a major criminal, or terrorist…but then they wouldn’t be having the extradition hearings, and letting him wander around for months on end, would they. They would snatch him up, and pack him up, for trial.
In a vacuum, one can come up with many plausible scenarios where a single extraordinary event can happen. However, with LDS “extradition” the events just don’t add up.
I can immagine instances where a local Police would prefer not having a wanted criminal put on the public Red List. Crying out loud “Hey, we’re coming over this week to get you !” to the Italian mafioso would have been a bad decision
JoZeppy wrote:
And that is so true.
Great Kim wrote:
Both the Italian video and the Dominican article I posted report it was an Interpol Operation. However the mafia boss Pignatelli was not on the Red List. He has been a fugitive for over 13 years, so I doubt his name wasn’t in the Interpol 155,000 strong database
Red List/No List/Whatever List ….
Kenyan officials wouldn’t respond with an email stating that they don’t want a Lucas Smith from the United States if they really wanted to extradite him.
Regardless of that, all of the fake BC’s that Lucas has produced are not even genuine Kenyan BC’s. Official government documents do not have baby foot prints on them and the hospitals do not retain those types of records for that many years. So, if Lucas actually obtained them from some source in Kenya, he got ripped off.
In the end, we all know that he manufactured the BC’s on his own computer.
And Lucas… if you were to get a real BC from Kenya, this is what it would look like. It wouldn’t look anything like the two you have produced. That’s why you’re not an artist at being a con.
Dr. Jerome R. Corsi, WND, tried to promote a very similar ‘shoddy-research’ Kenyan BC comparison back in August 2009.
The comparison of a hospital BC to a government-issued BC didn’t make any sense then and it makes even less sense now, assuming folks following this ongoing tragedy have developed a few critical thinking skills over the last four years.
See:
The Appearance of the ‘LDS, Obama Kenyan Hospital BC’ is Authentic
http://www.wasobamaborninkenya.com/InspectorSmith/showthread.php/942-The-Appearance-of-the-LDS-Obama-Kenyan-Hospital-BC-is-Authentic
Also should be noted here, as we’ve noted hundreds of times previously, that you cannot compare a ‘Republic of Kenya’ (1964 and upwards) to a Kenua Colony or Kenya Protectorate document.
You claim you got the BC at the hospital. Hospitals don’t keep records for that many years. Official government documents like birth certificates don’t have foot prints on them. Yours are forgeries plain and simple – and not even good ones at that.
There are other examples of birth certificates from Kenya even from the late 50’s and none of them look anything like what you produced. They look like the one in the image I provided. They don’t completely revamp documents just because the country became a Republic versus a colony.
But that doesn’t matter and not the real reason for my post. How do you explain that the Kenyan government has responded to inquiries as to if you’re being extradited and they claim they have never heard of you?
Lucas Daniel Smith wrote:
To this date, Lucas has refused to answer questions regarding why Kenyan authorities say they don’t know who he is. He has not provided any proof he ever set foot on the continent of Africa which would be easy since there are certain immunizations that are required before you even travel to the country and he would still have the cards the provide. There is no way to even enter Kenya without proof that you’ve had the immunizations. He probably doesn’t even know what immunizations are required before traveling there.
So, Lucas. Why do you continue to ignore these questions? Why can’t you provide simple proof that you had the required immunizations prior to traveling to Kenya? You don’t want to show your passport with the entry and exit stamps. You had to get a visa to enter the country. Show that. Give some proof other than poorly made forgeries of supposed birth certificates.
The only reason you put foot prints on yours is because you’re too dumb to know that those types of BC’s are only souvenirs for the mother and are never retained by any hospital as a record of birth.
Bruce. You are seriously lacking in any critical thinking skills. It’s too bad you don’t have family that will help you. It’s too bad that you have been taken by Lying Lucas. You are probably the type that has fallen for those Nigerian 419 scams as well.
Bruce wrote:
@ Lucas is a Con ( and not even an artist at it ):
Exactly. In case y’all haven’t figured it out Smith doesn’t care that most of the people commenting here know he is a third rate scammer. He only cares what one person here thinks – the guy sending him money. I believe Smith let’s us comment here because he believes his mark thinks the fact that Obots bother to post about Smith’s idiocy is just more proof that Smith must be telling the truth. The Nigerian emails are intentionally made stupid to self select the most gullible. That is the ones they are after in the first place.
Yeah as long as Bruce Steadman keeps falling for his bullshit, then Smith will keep the charade going, but the minute Bruce becomes unable, or unwilling, to be Smith’s sugar-daddy, its all over.
@ Andrew Vrba, PmG:
Andy, racist sympathizers disguised as anti birther obots have no credibility here. The adults that read here know you for what I have proven you to be.
If this is all for Bruce’s benefit, then one could easily come to the probably conclusion, that if the money from Bruce stops, for whatever reason, that Smith would abandon the blog entirely.
@ Andrew Vrba, PmG:
Andy, racist sympathizers disguised as anti birther obots have no credibility here. The adults that read here know you for what I have proven you to be.
yaaawn….when part 7 ?
Great Kim wrote:
Honestly he could just write several entries that read “blah blah blah!” as 7 though 10. That’s how indifferent I am towards the subject matter of his excuses.
Great Kim wrote:
The problem is that I have a job, so I can’t write around the the clock as other individuals like, for example, Dr. Conspiracy, can. Kim, if you have a something that you’d like to publish here on the WOBIK blog please let me know and I’ll consider letting you publish as an obot piece.
Smith, seeing as Uncle Moneybags aka Bruce Steadman is already buying your fish story, posting parts 7 through 10 won’t accomplish anything. None of us are convinced you are truthful, except for Bruce. And he already reaches into his wallet for you, without question.
@ Lucas Daniel Smith:
I doubt you have a work visa. Those require a criminal background check. So are you just as much a law breaking scumbag in the DR, larry,… Errr LLDS?
@ Andrew Vrba, PmG:
Says the racist sympathizer disguised as an anti birther obot.
BobJ wrote:
He doesn’t give a shit about following US laws, so I don’t see why he’d care about following the laws of the country he fled to.
Lucas Daniel Smith wrote:
thanks for the offer. I just found Hillary’s Mombasa BC through my Kenyan contacts and was looking for a place where to make the scoop