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I’ve been asked by a number of individuals, over a number of years, to provide a scan of the backside of Barack Obama’s 1961 (2009 certified copy) Coast Province General Hospital, Mombasa, British Protectorate of Kenya, Certificate of Birth.
For your review:
Backside of Barack Obama’s 1961 (2009 certified copy) Coast Province General Hospital, Mombasa, British Pro… by Lucas Daniel Smith
Can you decipher what it reads Lucas?
Jim Phelps wrote:
The backside is completely blank. Anything that is visible is ink (and the seal) from the other side of the document.
There is the blue ink from the stamp that has bled through the paper long ago and then there is lots of the text of the document itself, as well as the typewritten data and the footprint, which can be seen through the paper.
The embossed seal is also very visible.
A month has passed since you were challenged to prove that you had gone to Kenya by showing your passport with a Kenya stamp on it, and you have not shown it.
The “born in Kenya” story is the height of the loony side of the birther movement. It is based on alleged birth certificates, like that of Lucas D. Smith, and falsifications––such as the claim that Obama’s Kenyan grandmother said that he was born in Kenya—when she actually said right on the same tape that he was born IN HAWAII, and she said in another interview that the first that her family in Kenya had heard of Obama’s birth was in a letter FROM HAWAII.
Lucas D. Smith claimed that he went to Kenya and got Obama’s birth certificate at a hospital in Mombasa. But Lucas D. Smith has constantly refused to show proof that he, Smith, had ever gone to Kenya. All that he would have to do would be to show a Kenya stamp on a page of a passport, but Lucas D. Smith has refused to do that, constantly, and he has also constantly refused to say why he will not show that proof.
Laying aside for a moment the overwhelming proof that Obama was born in Hawaii, the evidence that Obama was NOT born in Kenya is also very strong. There were a grand total of 21 people who came to the USA from Kenya in 1961. Of these only seven were US citizens. And the birther myth has always been that Obama’s parents went there and returned by plane, but only one person came to the USA from Kenya in 1961 by plane and that person was, wait for it, NOT a US citizen. And Obama’s father did not go to Kenya in 1961 either (making it unlikely that his mother did, since travel late in pregnancy was rare, and even more rare without the husband going along). WND has proved with a FOI Act request that Obama senior stayed in Hawaii throughout 1961.
And the Kenyan government investigated the “born in Kenya” story, and found that it was not true.
“Jon Chessoni, a first secretary at the Kenyan Embassy in Washington, can’t understand why his office gets so many baseless questions about whether Barack Obama was born in Kenya.
“It’s madness,” said Chessoni on Monday.“His father, in 1961, would not even have been in Kenya. When this matter first came up, the Kenyan government did its research and confirmed that these are all baseless claims.””
http://washingtonindependent.com/53654/forged …
Obama has a Hawaii birth certificate that says that he was born in Hawaii, in Kapiolani Hospital, and the officials of both parties in Hawaii have confirmed that fact. It is also confirmed by the birth announcement in the Hawaii newspapers in 1961, which were sent to the papers only by the DOH of Hawaii.
Obama’s birth announcement appeared in a section of the newspapers called Health Bureau Statistics. As the name indicates, and as the papers and the DOH also say, ONLY the DOH of Hawaii could send birth notices to the Health Bureau Statistics section of the paper. And the DOH only sent out those notices for children that it had issued birth certificates for, and in 1961 the DOH was not allowed to register the births of children who were not born in Hawaii.
Oh, and there is this:
http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2011/04/kapiol …
Is that all? NO there is more.
Birthers allege that the Kenyan government has hidden all documents that prove that Obama’s mother went to Kenya. Well, that is possible, but not likely—such things tend to leak. But what about the US government? Did it hide its records too?
That is because, obviously, if a child were born in Kenya she or he would need a US travel document to get to the USA. We simply do not allow a child to be carried into the USA without some form of official document. (Except some are smuggled across the Mexican and Canadian borders, but Kenya does not have a land border with the USA.) And a US travel document, such as having Obama added to his mother’s US passport would have required an application for that document in the US consulate in Nairobi Kenya.
That application would have been filed in multiple files, and there would have been communication about it with Washington, so it would be difficult to be lost or scrapped. And the Bush Administration was in charge of the US State Department for eight years until early 2009, so they could have found it, and if they did they would surely have shown it, and they didn’t.
So, for the “born in Kenya” story to be true, both Kenya and the Bush Administration must be part of a plot. Hawaii too, of course, and that would include the former Republican governor of Hawaii, now running for the US Senate. And the birth notices in the Hawaii newspapers that were placed by the DOH in the Hawaii newspapers (and only the DOH could put notices into the Health Bureau Statistics section of the papers) in 1961 would have to be fraudulent too.
And, Kenya is about ten thousand miles from Hawaii, and the idea that Obama’s parents had that kind of money (Obama’s American grandfather was a furniture salesman and his grandmother was just a low-level employee in a bank at the time) or would spend it on a trip while Obama’s mother was late in pregnancy (which was very rare in those days) and take the risk of stillbirth and Yellow Fever (which was endemic in Kenya, and a Yellow Fever shot is bad during pregnancy) is nutty in the extreme.
The bottom line: There is no proof that Obama’s mother went to Kenya and it is highly unlikely that she did. The Kenyan government and Obama’s relatives both say that he was not born there. If he were born in Kenya there would have to be US government documents saying that his family applied for a passport or a visa, and there isn’t any. There is no INS check in for Obama or his mother (which would normally have taken place in New York, since there were no direct flights, and those files are not missing), and the birth certificate and the confirmation of the officials of both parties and the Index Data and the birth notices in the Hawaii newspapers all show that he was born in Hawaii.
ehancock wrote:
ellen –
“5. Zullo revealed for the FIRST TIME publicly that a “certified” source of legal investigation has now “signed off” on the CCP investigation and has declared the evidence to be 100% accurate and the document in question to be a complete fabricated fraud upon the American people. This source is certified to testify in Federal Courts throughout the nation.”
http://ppsimmons.blogspot.com/2013/04/recap-stunning-new-revelations-from-lt.html
If obummer was born in Hawaii it doesn’t make sense that he would have approved the posting of a fraudulent lfbc on the official white house website last April.
He was born in Kenya and his days as POTUS are rapidly coming to an end.
SNM
“He was born in Kenya and his days as POTUS are rapidly coming to an end.”
Can I vigorously rub this in your face when it doesn’t happen?
@ SkepticNoMore:
Re “fraudulent” long firm birth certificate. I agree with you, it does not make sense to show a fraudulent BC when you were really born in Hawaii
However, he really WAS born in Hawaii, as his birth certificate and the confirmation of the officials of both parties in Hawaii (including the former Republican governor) shows. And this is further confirmed by the public Index Data file and the birth certificates sent to the Hawaii newspapers by the DOH of Hawaii in 1961 (and ONLY the DOH could send notices to the “Health Bureau Statistics” section of the paper, and it only did so for births IN Hawaii). And Obama’s birth in Hawaii is still further confirmed by the Hawaii teacher who wrote home to her father, named Stanley, about the birth in Hawaii of a child to a woman named Stanley.
ALL of these would have to be lying for Obama to be born anywhere else than Hawaii.
So, the long form birth certificate is not forged. There are only claims by people who hate Obama that it is forged—people who claim to be experts and who say that there are things that show that Obama’s birth certificate is forged. Among those who believe these “experts” is Sheriff Joe of Arizona and his “Cold Case Posse.”
http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/292780/conspiracy-again-editors
Obama’s birth certificate is not forged. Only birther “experts” have called it forged, and they have not shown that they are even experts, much less fair and impartial. Those are two reasons why they are not believed by Ann Coulter, Glenn Beck or the National Review (or by Mitt Romney or Paul Ryan or Gingrich or Santorum or Huckabee).
One proof that Obama’s birth certificate is not forged is Obama’s short-form birth certificate.
Short-form birth certificates are created by a clerk reading the information from the document in the file, and filling out the computer form that generates the printed short-form birth certificate. The officials in Hawaii have confirmed that they sent a short-form to Obama. So, unless they are lying—and they were Republican officials–the only way that Obama’s birth certificate could have been forged was that it was forged in 2007 and slipped into the file just before the clerk looked at the file. That is not very likely, is it? And it is especially unlikely since at the time Obama was not even the candidate of the Democrats. He was still in the primaries at the time, and he was only a junior senator from Illinois.
And birther sites have not shown you these real experts.
Dr. Neil Krawetz, an imaging software analysis author and experienced examiner of questioned images, said:“The PDF released by the White House shows no sign of digital manipulation or alterations. I see nothing that appears to be suspicious.”
Nathan Goulding with The National Review: “We have received several e-mails today calling into question the validity of the PDF that the White House released, namely that there are embedded layers in the document. There are now several other people on the case. We looked into it and dismissed it.… I’ve confirmed that scanning an image, converting it to a PDF, optimizing that PDF, and then opening it up in Illustrator, does in fact create layers similar to what is seen in the birth certificate PDF. You can try it yourself at home.”
John Woodman, independent computer professional, who is a member of the Tea Party (who says that he hates Obama’s policies but found no evidence of forgery) said repeatedly in his book and in various articles on his Web site that the claims that Obama’s birth certificate was forged were unfounded.
Ivan Zatkovich, who has testified in court as a technology expert, and consultant to WorldNetDaily:“All of the modifications to the PDF document that can be identified are consistent with someone enhancing the legibility of the document.” And, by the way, when WND received Zatkovich’s article that said that he found nothing wrong with Obama’s birth certificate, WordNDaily simply did not publish it.
Jean-Claude Tremblay, a leading software trainer and Adobe-certified expert, who has years of experience working with and teaching Adobe Illustrator, said the layers cited by doubters are evidence of the use of common, off-the-shelf scanning software — not evidence of a forgery.“I have seen a lot of illustrator documents that come from photos and contain those kind of clippings—and it looks exactly like this,” he said.
Birthers’ claim that Obama’s birth certificate is false is well understood to be caused by their own motives—they hate Obama and would like to harm him.
And it is irrational (to say the least) to think that Obama’s relatives had enough money (Obama’s grandfather was just a furniture salesman and his grandmother a low-level employee in a bank at the time; and his father came to Hawaii on a free flight) or crazy enough to spend LOTS of money on a long and expensive and risky (incidents of stillbirths were high at the time) overseas trip for their pregnant daughter—–when there were perfectly good hospitals in Honolulu, Hawaii.
(Also, the government of Kenya has said that it investigated the “born in Kenya” claim, and that it did not happen.)
@ ehancock:
SodaHead
@ SkepticNoMore:
http://english.cntv.cn/program/newsupdate/20130121/100080.shtml
SkepticNoMore wrote:
LOL! LOL!
LOL at the guy who claims he got a birth certificate in Mombasa, Kenya—but who refuses to show that he ever went to Kenya. All that would take would be for him to scan the page of his passport with the Kenya stamp on it, but he has never done so.
LOL LOL LOL!
ehancock preaches,
people walk by,
drop coins in her cup,
thinking to themselves,
“how adorable”.
@ ehancock:
WHO THE HELL DO YOU THINK YOU ARE TO ASK LUCAS FOR PROOF HE WENT TO KENYA ? YOU ARE NOBODY AND DO NOT RATE ANY SPECIAL EVIDENCE THAT HE DID ANYTHING .
FOFOFOFOFOFOF
@ ehancock:
THERE ARE AT LEAST A DOZEN ANALYSES OF THE FORGED / FAKE DOCUMENT FROM HAWAI ‘ I STATING IT IS PHOTOSHOPPED AND A MOUNTAIN OF EVIDENCE AGAINST YOUR SUCK BUDDY. IF THAT IS NOT BAD ENOUGH ~ THERE IS A LIST OF 50 + IMPEACHABLE / INDICTABLE HIGH CRIMES AND MISDEMEANORS . BUT THAT ‘ S O.K. ~ YOU JUST KEEP SINKING YOUR HEAD DEEP INTO THE SAND UNTIL YOU SUFFOCATE .