This blog report is the second to be filed under the category of ‘Helton Maganga / Heltan Maganga’. This blog report is also the first to be filed under the category of ‘Merry Othigo /Mary Othigo’.
Doctor Othigo claims that she was the Chief Administrator of the Coast Province General Hospital (CPGH) beginning at some point in 2008 and thru the some point in the end of May 2009. She was also the Deputy Chief Administrator of the Coast Province General Hospital (CPGH) at some point.
I remember talking with doctor Othigo on 19th day of February, 2009 while I was physically present at the Coast Province General Hospital in Mombasa, Kenya. I knew that she was a member of the administrative staff at CPGH but I had no personal knowledge of her acting as, or not acting as, the Chief Administrator of CPGH on that specific day.
Doctor Othigo now works (Obstetrics and Gynaecology) at the Aga Khan Hospital in Mombasa, Kenya.
On the official Aga Khan Hospital website doctor Othigo is listed as doctor MARY OTHIGO.
http://www.agakhanhospitals.org/find_doctor1.asp?tri=centre&countrybis=Kenya&speciality=Surgery&hospitalbis=The%20Aga%20Khan%20Hospital,%20Mombasa
However, on the government of Kenya’s official Medical Practitioners & Dentist Board website , doctor Othigo’s registered name is listed as MERRY OTHIGO.
http://www.medicalboard.co.ke/index.php?option=com_wrapper&view=wrapper&Itemid=35
It appears that Aga Khan Hospital has spelled doctor Merry Othigo’s name as Mary Othigo. Is this an incorrect spelling or can doctor Othigo’s first name be spelled either way?
If Aga Khan Hospital in Mombasa can spell Merry Othigo as Mary Othigo then is it also fair to say that Coast Province General Hospital in Mombasa could have spelled doctor Maganga’s first name as Helton rather than Hetlan? Would this have been an incorrect spelling or can doctor Maganga’s name be spelled either way?
Furthermore, if the spelling of H-E-L-T-O-N (Maganga) is indeed incorrect, which it very well may be, does that designate all papers and documents, bearing that spelling, from Coast Province General Hospital as fake flimflams and counterfeits?
If the spelling of M-A-R-Y (Othigo) is indeed incorrect, which it very well may be, does that designate the Aga Khan Hospital website as a fraudulent website? Moreover, what about any other paperwork, reports and documents (which bear the same spelling listed on the hospital website) from Aga Khan Hospital? Would those be fake flimflams and counterfeits, as well?
At any rate, we now have a hospital in Mombasa, Kenya that lists the spelling Dr. Othigo’s first name as ‘Mary’ while Kenya’s official government Medical Practitioners & Dentist Board (Cap. 253) lists the legal spelling of Dr. Othigo’s first name as ‘Merry’. Is this irrelevant to the spelling of Dr. Maganga’s first name that is listed on the 2009-certified copy of Barack Obama’s 1961 Coast Province General Hospital, Mombasa, British Protectorate of Kenya, certificate of birth? No, its not irrelevant. On the contrary, it is remarkably and extraordinarily relevant.
1. Two hospitals in Mombasa Kenya: Aga Khan and CPGH.
2. Two doctors (Othigo and Maganga) who were both, at some point, the Chief Administrator at CPGH in Mombasa.
3. The CPGH in Mombasa spells doctor Maganga’s first name with a spelling that is in contrast to the legal spelling that doctor’s first name.
4. The Aga Khan Hospital in Mombasa spells doctor Othigo’s first name with a spelling that is in contrast to the legal spelling that doctor’s first name.
5. Doctor Othigo (as opposed to doctor Maganga) is the doctor that skeptics and critics alike have claimed should be listed, as Chief Administrator, on the 2009-certified copy of Barack Obama’s 1961 Coast Province General Hospital, Mombasa, British Protectorate of Kenya, certificate of birth
It is near, if not entirely, inconceivable that an astute and objective minded person could dismiss this argument and pleading as irrelevant or as a simple straw man argument.
Lucas, This proves what we have discussed before. There are so many different ways to spell most names and all are accepted by almost everyone, all over the world. Only in America, are some so obsessed by one single spelling being the only spelling to prove anything.
My birth cert and driver’s license has Phyllis. Even after 8 yrs, my boss still writes Phillis and the bank cashes my check without question. One credit card has Phyliss. No problem, merchants accept it. My electric, satellite, phone, gas bills have Philiss, Phylises and even Philip and Philips. For years, I tried to get it straight to the one spelling as on my birth cert. I gave up. I get the bills and I pay them. In other countries, they are more relaxed by spelling. Many times this is because of the differences in the languages and phonics. It just isn’t important to anyone except to those who want to discredit you and keep the Kenyan birth certificate under suspicion.Oh, and to the lawyers who, knowing full well what I have said is true, would still charge $1000’s per hour of their client’s money to argue the point.
A copy of HER handwriting should be available somewhere to compare forensically to the document you received Lucas. The writing SCREAMS FEMALE !
I would add at this point, Lucas, you have again done an excellent bit of research on this latest info on the names and the spelling as well as the hospital administrators.
Ralph, We discussed the handwriting on Insp Smith’s utube forum. Yes, the signature does appear feminine. However, it is a common practice all over the world, including in the U S, for a stamp of an official be available to office employees to use so save the officials time. In most places, the employee can, and frequently does, sign the documents as well. I believe the stamp was in the office when Lucas was there and the clerk used it, signing the doc. herself.
according to the government issued
MEDICAL PRACTITIONERS RETENTION REGISTER, 2011
THE MEDICAL PRACTITIONERS AND DENTISTS ACT (cap 253)
undersigned by the Director of Medical Services of the MINISTERY OF Health, Dr Kimani. Just search for “Othigo” in the search box in the following linked page.
http://www.medicalboard.co.ke/index.php?option=com_wrapper&view=wrapper&Itemid=35
dr Othigo is listed as OTHIGO MERRY JENNIFER
dr Othigo has a very prolific Facebook Page
According to her LinkedIn profile
http://ke.linkedin.com/pub/merry-jennifer-othigo-m-d-ph-d-obs-gyn/2b/778/934
dr Merry Jennifer is currently
•Provincial Reproductive Health Officer at Coast Provincial General Hospital
from January 2009.
this date is critical since Lucasì document is stamped feb 19th 2009. We must verify if she occupied both postions (chief Administrator + current) or if Lucas is right (in any case Maganga’s name is misspelled – according to the same official source used for Othigo’s name).
Dr.Othigo does not work for the AGA KHAN hospital mentioned by Lucas. The Hospital povides a link to a private medical directory. This doesnìt mean that she doesn’t have any professional relationship to
Aga Khan – certainly she doesn’t hold any position there.
Any way here email (from here LinkedIN profile) is
mjothigo@gmail.com
according to the government issued
MEDICAL PRACTITIONERS RETENTION REGISTER, 2011
THE MEDICAL PRACTITIONERS AND DENTISTS ACT (cap 253)
undersigned by the Director of Medical Services of the MINISTERY OF Health, Dr Kimani.
http://www.medicalboard.co.ke/index.php?option=com_wrapper&view=wrapper&Itemid=35
dr Othigo is listed as OTHIGO MERRY JENNIFER
also dr Othigo has a very prolific Facebook Page
According to her LinkedIn profile
http://ke.linkedin.com/pub/merry-jennifer-othigo-m-d-ph-d-obs-gyn/2b/778/934
dr Merry Jennifer is currently
Provincial Reproductive Health Officer at Coast Provincial General Hospital
from January 2009.
this date is critical since Lucas’ document is stamped feb 19th 2009. We must verify if she occupied both postions (chief Administrator + current) or if Lucas is right (in any case Maganga’s name is misspelled – according to the same official source used for Othigo’s name).
Dr.Othigo does not work for the AGA KHAN hospital mentioned by Lucas. The Hospital povides a link to a private medical directory. This doesn’t mean that she doesn’t have any professional relationship to
Aga Khan – certainly she doesn’t hold any position there.
Any way here email (from here LinkedIN profile) is
mjothigo@gmail.com
Phyllis:
Paragraph 8 of the Declaration signed by Lucas is SPECIFIC that the document was signed by the ADMINISTRATOR which may be incorrect and MUST BE CORRECTED and such was reported to Lucas to go over with his legal teams for a reason. IF signed by anyone other than the administrator then the declaration MUST BE CORRECTED with the help of Attorney Orly Taitz and getting a certified copy from the Court could stop any confusion and problems related to not only the declaration filed but to the document itself. Sadly ALL OTHER ATTORNEY’S never worked together to file a CERTIFIED COPY OF THE FEDERAL COURT DECLARATION AND EXHIBIT in their cases since all seem to have nothing to support their contentions like Lucas provided. Will wait and see now what happens.
Lucas,
I am glad you now recognize there is an official government source for practicing doctors in Kenya. What you do not know, because I have not told you about it when I linked you to the source, is that the National Registrar is based upon forms filled by the candidates themselves. These have to fill in their data and attach copy of their passport and other documents
http://www.kenyalaw.org/kenyalaw/klr_app/view_content.php?ContentHistoryID=23000
So the conclusion is that the Government source allmost certainly provides us with the correct spellings and you seem to agree with me that the name on your stamp is definitely misspelled.
You also seem to imply that the document was NOT signed by Maganga but possibly by Othigo herself. Why would she do that ? As CA she could have used her own stamp and signature since, as you say, she was present during your “visit”. And most important don’t you believe this invalidates your document completely ? Or was hers a deliberate act to sabotage your find ? After all she was trained in the former Soviet Union in Lvov. She could be an OBOT
Aga Khan is a private hospital
CPGH is a public institution, that’s what makes it’s CA a public officer. For your knowledge these public hospitals do not issue birth certificates, they issue birth notifications that people must then bring to the civil registrar. btw this happens in all public hc systems
“I remember talking with doctor Othigo on 19th day of February, 2009 while I was physically present at the Coast Province General Hospital in Mombasa, Kenya.”
MikTaerg, You are probably the best person to answer this; Is this a new claim by Lucas Smith? Is his memory getting better, or did he remember talking with Dr. Othigo before today?
“However, it is a common practice all over the world, including in the U S, for a stamp of an official be available to office employees to use so save the officials time.”
Phyllis,
There is a difference between using an authorized stamp of someone’s signature and signing their name for them. The signature of the administrator on the CPGH certificate does not appear to be a stamp. If the person signing for the administrator did so with permission, wouldn’t you consider proof of that permission to be provided before the document could be considered certified?
In government, others have signature powers, but they sign their own name followed by the statutory/procedural signing authority.
Odious Prime, it’a a new claim. It has some interesting implications: Lucas learned her name when there, did she introduce herself ? was she wearing a name badge ? How come this comes up only now ? I believe he has verified for himself that Helatn is the right name and that he was not CA on Feb 19th 2009. The new version sounds something like this: the old CA was still around (which is btw true since she became head oif the Reproductive Health organizations funded by the US and quartered within CPGH) and was generously helping out the newby with the heavy paperwork.
Plus she is a very practical woman: to help out Heltan she ordered a stamp misspelling his name. On Feb 19th she signed with his name to mike life easier for him. Unfortunately she fucked up Lucas.
I just recently saw
my first picture of Othigo. That’s how I know that I saw and talked to HER at the hospital in 2009. I just didnt know what her name was back then.
Odious,
I didn’t say the stamp was of Maganga’s signature. It is his stamp with a signature added separately. A clerk may have signed it after applying Maganga’s stamp. That is a common practice in some countries. We, in America, look at so much from American perspective while not being aware of practices around the world.
However, the fact that the document did come from the CPGH should not be diminished by the fact a clerk may have signed it after applying Maganga’s stamp. In Kenya the origin of the document is the important fact, not who may have signed it. The point being that the document exists because of birth that occurred there. If no birth had occurred there, no document would exist.
@Phyllis
“That is a common practice in some countries.”
Is it a common practice in Kenya? Don’t you think it would be important to verify that?
“The point being that the document exists because of birth that occurred there. If no birth had occurred there, no document would exist.”
If a document was found that said Obama was born on the moon, would you say he had to be born on the moon? If no birth had occurred there, no document would exist. Right?
Odious,
Find me a document that anyone was born on the moon and we can discuss it. Until then, your point is moot to this discussion.
While so much attention is paid to Maganga’s stamp & whether or not he signed the document, I don’t hear any of you discussing other signatures on it…like maybe the doctor’s signature, or any other signature for that matter. It seems to me the other signatures would be just as important. Why not look into them?
one of my comment awaiting moderation has this
mjothigo@gmail.com
Phyllis,
Doctor’s signatures? Why waste the time? All physicians were required by law to register as a medical practitioner according to Section 4c(2) of the Medical Practitioners and Dentists Ordinance . The Kenya Gazette for June 1961 places Dr. James O.W. Ang’awa in Nairobi. That’s a long way from Mombasa. It doesn’t even list a John Kwame Odongo. By law, Dr. Odongo would have had to be registered. No person by that name is a registered physician, let alone being the Head of the Obstetrics Department.
http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=ABm-g4JN-loC&pg=PA632
It’s not a matter of being famous. It’s a matter of registration required by law. The only logical conclusion as to the non-existence of John Kwame Odongo is that he likely did not exist.
Odious Prime,
Are you claiming that James Ang’awa did not work in Mombasa in 1961?
And, FYI, all doctors in Kenya are supposed to be registered in Nairobi, no matter where they work in Kenya. At least they are in 2011. I’m not sure of the law back then, or if it was strictly enforced or enforced differently in the Kenya Protectorate than in the Kenya Colony.
I find your comment of ‘Doctor’s signatures? Why waste the time?’ a bit doltish. And I glen from it that you, like most Obotopians, are nothing more than a keyboard detectives who believes that they can find everything online. Never put your gumshoe on, do you? Or are you now going to write out some elaborate, yet farcical, curriculum vitae (minus your name)?
By the way, have you (under a different name) and I ever communicated before?
“Are you claiming that Ang’awa did not work in Mombasa in 1961?”
I don’t think Dr. James Oyunga William Ang’awa worked in Mombasa at the time President Obama was born. If you have evidence to the contrary you should make it known.
“And, FYI, all doctors in Kenya register in Nairobi, no matter where they work in Kenya.”
This is not true. A casual review of the register denotes Mombasa addresses. Your concession still leaves out a registration for Dr. John Kwame Odongo.
I am not someone you know.
Odious Prime,
In your recent comment you made reference to my, “And, FYI, all doctors in Kenya register in Nairobi, no matter where they work in Kenya.”
I can tell you that I know that it is true in 2011. I’m not sure about 1961. Which is what I said. Do you challenge that doctors in Kenya, in 2011, are to register in Nairobi, no matter where they work in Kenya? If so, you are wrong. You might ask Othigo (call or email her) and she will confirm that I am correct.
Lastly, I don’t have to supply you with anything. I really and truly could care less if you post, or don’t post, on my WOBIK Blog. I feel indifferent about it.
If you ever decide to throw on your gumshoe and do some bona fide detective work you can then track down some tangible, or scans of tangible, documents or letters which contain signatures of James Ang’awa, John Odongo, Helton/Heltan Maganga and Merry/Mary Othigo. It would be great if their printed names were under the signatures too.
Until then you are little more other than what can be compared to a ‘skiptracer‘ that works for a ‘collection agency‘. And we all know that they are just so accurate (not).
Good day.
Kim/Mik,
You stated, “Dr.Othigo does not work for the AGA KHAN hospital mentioned by Lucas. The Hospital povides a link to a private medical directory. This doesnìt mean that she doesn’t have any professional relationship to Aga Khan – certainly she doesn’t hold any position there.”
You are incorrect. She does work for Aga Khan. Furthermore, the Aga Khan ‘find a doctor’ is not linked to a private medical directory. If it is, then perhaps you can bring of Helton/Helton Maganga on the Aga Khan Hospital website for us? No, you cant.
I believe that you probably got a little confused the website’s echo in find a doctor. You can type in Dr. Peanut Butter Jelly Sandwhich and it will bring up a screen to write to that person. However, it wont give any sort of detailed information about those echos.
Only a doctor that works for Aga Khan will display details.
So much for your keyboard detective tactics.
Odious Prime,
Surprise, surprise, surprise. Its appears that doctor James Ang’awa was listed in the Kenya Gazette, 9th of October, 1959 as being registered in Nairobi as well.
http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=lgBjcteVXu0C&pg=PP2&dq=Kenya+Gazette+James+Angawa+medical&hl=en&ei=4KEwToDCEoSisQKu0qVC&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=10&ved=0CFIQ6AEwCQ#v=onepage&q&f=false
Only problem with that, or at least taking it as literally meaning that that is where is physically works, its that we have other documentation that puts doctor James Ang’awa in Mombasa in 1959. Here is one example:
May 18, 1961: It states that, for the past four (4) years, doctor James Ang’awa has worked at the Port Reitz Hospital in Mombasa, Kenya. So that would take us back to 1957.
Yet the 1959 ‘Kenya Gazette’ lists James Ang’awa as being registered in Nairobi. Paradox isn’t it? No. Its very simple. You can be registered in Nairobi and still work in Mombasa, or anywhere else. Furthermore, records aren’t always comprehensive. No everything is recorded.
So much for your keyboard detective tactics.
Lucas Daniel Smith wrote:
Your 1959 registry shows that James Ang’awa had his postal mail placed in the care of the Department of Medical Services while working in Mombasa. When he finished working in Mombasa, the c/o D.M.S. was removed from his address.
The East Africa and Rhodesia article supports his change of address from Mombasa back to Nairobi. It also indicates that the registry, published in June of 1961, has the correct address for James Ang’awa in that the c/o had been removed.
The documentation that you provided does not support the birth certificate that you are claiming to be true and correct. If anything it destroys it. The article that you provided removes James Ang’awa from Mombasa and places him in Nairobi before the time of Obama’s birth.
Do we have a need to continue? If we do, maybe you could explain why John Kwame Odongo is not listed in the physicians registry. Odongo, in order to be permitted to practice, would have been required to comply with the registration ordinance prior to being permitted to practice.
Odious Prime wrote:
@ Odious Prime:
Do you always just make it up as you go? Btw, the Nairobia registration address that you originally sighted was a PO BOX, as well.
Furthermore, are seriously suggesting that Ang’awa has his postal mail placed in the care of the Department of Medical Services IN NAIROBI (you forgot to add that Nairobi part) while working in Mombasa for at least FOUR YEARS?
Also, why are you so reckless with your assumptions? Moreover, the 1959 Registry does not mention anything about Mombasa. This destroys your other reckless assumption that registry address are the for the location where they work. How could a PO Box hundreds of miles away from work location suffice for a working location registry? You’ve discredited your original arguement. The 1959 registry does not mention Mombasa, for Ang’awa, at all.
Lastly, here’s another ‘CARE OF‘ Nairobi PO Box for 1955, for Ang’awa. How can we asceratin where he was working a in 1955 with this date for 1955? Please explain for us.
http://books.google.com/books?id=ZK6RmOKCimwC&pg=PP2&dq=kenya+gazette+james+angawa+medical+1955&hl=en&ei=ky00TrGINM2FsgLBo-SYCw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CDEQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q&f=false
You are a reckless internet scholar, nothing more. Only a dolt would make assumptions that all data can be found online.
Do we need to continue? Or do you have more assumptions?
Why are you here? Are you an Obot or are that Jim fellow?
SMITH: “Furthermore, are seriously suggesting that Ang’awa has his postal mail placed in the care of the Department of Medical Services IN NAIROBI (you forgot to add that Nairobi part) while working in Mombasa for at least FOUR YEARS?”
When physicians employed by the government were temporarily assigned outside of Nairobi their postal mail was still collected by the the Department of Medical Services. The DMS then took charge of delivering the mail to the physicians temporary location. The c/o DMS was used to identifiy that the mail should not be placed in the physicians local box. The postal box for James Ang’awa was the PO Box for the DMS. If you would have taken the time to complete your research, you would have seen that many other physicians maintained the exact same P.O. Box 30016. That is why James Ang’awa maintained his box at the DMS in Nairobi, but his mail was identified to be handled by the DMS for forwarding delivery.
You have asked before and I have stated that I am not someone you know. I am a respiratory physician who enjoyed a fellowship in Nairobi. I have no inclination to provide you with my true identity.
I see that you still cannot explain why John Kwame Odongo does not appear in the physician’s registry.
Odious Prime,
I was hoping to receive a better reply from you. Tell us, where was Ang’awa working in 1955?
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