I have been doing a lot of reading as of late including that which is related to the ostensible Kenyan birth records (Obama’s) ostensibly discovered in the British National Archives.
Together with TheDailyPen’s July 18, 2012 report I have also scoured the FreeRepublic.com thread started by Seizethecarp on Thursday, July 19, 2012 7:28:21 PM: OBAMA’S KENYAN BIRTH RECORDS DISCOVERED IN BRITISH NATIONAL ARCHIVES.
I also note that Dr. Conspiracy, on his website Obama Conspiracy Theories, remains silent on this matter of contention.
I encourage and implore everyone to post their thoughts (both objective and subjective) because I need help, please lots of help, with this ostensible discovery. Thank you.
Did you notice that the people who claim to have found the records did not identify themselves? Moreover, did you notice that the people who found the records and failed to identify themselves also claimed to have “sources” who said that Hillary Clinton was part of the conspiracy.
This is not much different than having claimed to have gotten a “Kenyan birth certificate” in Mombasa Kenya—and then refusing to prove that you had been in Mombasa Kenya, or even in Kenya.
Oh, and there is an obvious goof in the claim. The name of the colony that the investigators claimed to have accessed the files on was, in their words, “British Protectorate of East Africa.’ But the British Protectorate of East Africa had its name changed to “The Kenya Colony” in 1920.
@ ehancock:
Thank you for your thoughts. However, your comparison is far off target. I don’t have time tonight to lay out the obvious but I will do so shortly, possibly tomorrow evening.
Additionally, and as a separate issue, I don’t believe that you know jack about the East African Protectorate or British East Africa. Don’t get in over your head while citing random bits of online drivel that you run across. If it weren’t for a few individuals such as me, myself, I, Lucas Daniel Smith, people like you would still be bumbling around, ineptly, talking of Mombasa not having been part of Kenya in 1961. Again, don’t get in over your head, your comment regarding 1920 and the Kenya Colony is very telling.
@ ehancock:
LUCAS SMITH IS RIGHT . HE HAS DONE ALL THE RESEARCH , HE HAS TOLD THE TRUTH ABOUT EVERYTHING , HE HAS OBTAINED THE AUTHENTIC BIRTH CERTIFICATE OF BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA , AND HE HAS PRESENTED IT TO THE WORLD . THE PHONEY GREEN PAPER PRESENTED BY THE WHITEHOUSE HAS BEEN DECLARED AN AMATEURISH FORGERY , BUT THE DOCUMENT YOU FIND HERE HAS NEVER EVEN BEEN CHALLENGED . LUCAS HAS STUDIED ALL THE FACTS OF KENYA AS A BRITISH PROTECTORATE , AS A PART OF ZANZIBAR AND AS A LEGITIMATE NATION , SO DO NOT IMAGINE YOU CAN REFUTE ANYTHING HE KNOWS .
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_Africa_Protectorate
http://www.historyworld.net/wrldhis/PlainTextHistories.asp?historyid=ad21
http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/315078/Kenya/38093/Kenya-colony
(I was not discussing whether or not Zanzibar was part of Kenya. I noted that the name of the colony was “The Kenya Colony,” as the above research makes clear. The unnamed people who CLAIM to have accessed files in Britain said that they accessed the files of “the British Protectorate of East Africa.” Well those would have been very old files. The files for 1961 would have been filed under “the Kenya Colony.”
And only 21 people came to the USA from Kenya in 1961. And WND has shown with a FOI Act request that Obama’s father never left Hawaii in 1961, so if Obama’s mother had traveled ten thousand miles to go to Kenya (to be one of the 21 who came from Kenya), then she would have had to have traveled alone. And how likely is that?
In order for a child to be taken into the USA she or he requires a US travel document, such as a US passport, or to be entered on the mother’s US passport or a US visa on a foreign passport. IF Obama had actually had been born in Kenya, one of those documents would have had to have been applied for by his family in the US consulate in Nairobi. The files of applications for the US consulate in Kenya have not been lost or stolen, and so if such a an application had really existed, it would be easy to find during the Bush Administration. It is highly likely that they checked out the allegation that Obama was born in Hawaii, but they never said that the found any such document. What accounts for this? Was the Bush Administration part of the plot???
@ ehancock:
Again, you are way out of your league. In 1920 (July) British East Africa aka East Africa Protectorate was divided into two new entities: the Kenya Colony and the Kenya Protectorate. I learned that UCLA at Powell Library, and not doing “the google” as you have done.
The following link from the InspectorSmith Forum reproduces a few of the many interesting comments originally posted on the Free Republic thread titled, ‘Obama’s Kenyan Birth Records Discovered in British National Archives’
http://www.wasobamaborninkenya.com/InspectorSmith/showthread.php/1891-Obama-s-Kenyan-Birth-Records-Discovered-in-British-National-Archives?p=2466#post2466
@ Lucas Daniel Smith:
Okay, the old name East Africa Protectorate was divided into two new entities, one of which was the Kenya Colony. The two new entities became the legal names of the places, not the East Africa Protectorate. Therefore the name of the place where Obama’s father was born and where he is alleged to have had a child was THE KENYA COLONY.
The notion of Obama’s mother, late in pregnancy, traveling alone (WND has shown that Obama senior was in Hawaii on August 4, 1961) from Hawaii where there are good hospitals, to Kenya, where there was Yellow Fever and bad hospitals, and doing so without any INS record of her leaving the USA or any record of her arriving in Kenya——is absurd. And the fact that there is a birth certificate showing that she gave birth in Kapiolani Hospital in Honolulu makes it even more absurd.
AND the officials in Kenya have denied that Obama was born there. Jon Chessoni, first Secretary at the Kenyan Embassy in Washington, DC, said, speaking of inquiries the Embassy received about President Obama being born in Kenya: “When this matter first came up, the Kenyan government did its research and confirmed that these are all baseless claims.”
Once again, these are unnamed people who claim that the went to the files in England and found what they claim to have found. And these unnamed people also have “sources” who say what the unnamed people say that they said.
>>> SEMANTICS ~ ELOCUTION ~ EXTRANEOUS INFORMATION <<<
ELLEN AND ebancock ARE WASTING TIME ON THIS FORUM WITH INSIGNIFICANT , UNIMPORTANT JIBBER JABBER AND YAKETY YAK .
THE ONLY IMPORTANT THING IS THAT LUCAS SMITH WAS IN KENYA ON BUSINESS WHEN SEVERAL KENYANS ASKED HIM ABOUT HAVING A KENYAN " OCCUPY " OUR CAPITOL AND WHITEHOUSE . SUBSEQUENTLY , LUCAS WENT TO THE COAST PROVINCE GENERAL HOSPITAL AND BRIBED THE PEOPLE TO MAKE A COPY OF OBAMA ' S BIRTH CERTIFICATE FOR HIM . IN THE 20 MINUTES OR SO THAT IT TOOK FOR HIM TO RECEIVE THIS PAPER ,
IT IS ABSOLUTELY IMPOSSIBLE FOR ANYONE TO KNOW , GATHER , & PRINT ALL THE EXACT INFORMATION ON THIS DOCUMENT . IT HAS THE EXACT DATE & TIME OF BIRTH , NAMES OF MOTHER, FATHER , NEWBORN , DOCTOR, AND WITNESS . IT HAS THE DATE & PLACE OF BIRTH OF MOTHER / FATHER , AND THEIR OCCUPATIONS . AT THE TOP IS A SIGNATURE OF THE HOSPITAL ADMINISTRATOR WITH AND OFFICIAL SEAL . ( THE NAME MAY NOT BE AN EXACT SPELLING , AND IT MIGHT HAVE BEEN SIGNED BY AN UNDERLING ) THE FACT IS THAT NOBODY IN KENYA , MAKAHAYA OR BUMFUTZ EGYPT COULD HAVE POSSIBLY KNOWN OR MADE UP SUCH ACCURATE INFORMATION IN SUCH A SHORT TIME . NEITHER COULD THEY HAVE THE ACTUAL FOOTPRINT OF A NEWBORN .
Sure Lucas D. Smith was in Kenya. Sure he was.
If he actually had been to Kenya, he could show his passport with the Kenya stamp on it.
It is easy to get a footprint, any newborn child’s footprint.
@ ehancock:
NO YOU DAMN FOOL . IT IS NOT EASY TO GET A FOOTPRINT ON A DOCUMENT WHICH IS AUTHENTIC , SIGNED , SEALED AND CONTAINS ALL THE EXACT BIRTH INFO . LUCAS DOES NOT OWE ANYTHING TO YOU AND YOU ARE NOBODY , SO WHY WOULD HE SHOW ANY INFORMATION TO YOU OR ANYONE ELSE WHO HAS NOT THE SENSE TO EXAMINE THE KENYA BIRTH CERTIFICATE .
WE KNOW THAT YOU ARE JUST ANOTHER obot , lover of obummer .
@ ARNOLD CARL TAPP:
IT’S EASY. FIRST YOU FORGE THE DOCUMENT, then you find someone who has a newly born child and pay them a few bucks to get the kid’s footprint. Or better still, get one from a member of the family free. Or you could reproduce the image of the footprint cut from another birth certificate.
So just having a footprint on a document does not prove that it was obtained in Kenya or that it is a valid birth certificate.
As for having the exact information on it. Here is a simple explanation. You take the information on Obama’s Hawaii birth certificate (the accuracy of whose information has been confirmed repeatedly by the officials in Hawaii and use the same information (EXCEPT for the name of the doctor, the name of the hospital and the Hawaii location) on the forged Kenyan birth certificate. That also is easy to do.
To prove that it was obtained in Kenya the fellow who CLAIMS to have gotten it in Kenya must, just as a start, prove that he had gone to Kenya. And in this case Lucas D. Smith has never done that. It would be easy to prove. People who go to Kenya—as in most countries—get stamps on their passport when they enter and when they leave. All Lucas D. Smith would have to do is show either or both, but he has never done so.
@ ARNOLD CARL TAPP:
YOU ARE STILL A SILLY DAMN FOOL . DO YOU IMAGINE THAT YOU ARE SO SPECIAL AND IMPORTANT THAT LUCAS SHOULD PROVE ANYTHING TO YOU AND ALL THE OTHER obots ????????????????????????
@ ARNOLD CARL TAPP:
He does not have to, and we and the members of Congress (none of whom have called for an investigation) and the National Review and Ann Coulter do not have to believe him.
The facts are still the facts. The Kenyan government has said that Obama was not born there. It is absurd to think that Obama’s mother traveled alone ten thousand miles to Kenya, and there is a birth certificate for Obama that shows that he was born in HAWAII, confirmed by the officials of both parties in Hawaii, confirmed further by the Index Data, confirmed still further by the birth notices that the DOH of Hawaii sent to the Hawaii newspapers in 1961.
@Ellen
The Coast region of Kenya (including Mombasa) was called the Kenya Protectorate – the Kenya Colony was further inland. There is a video with maps starting around 6:00 that verify this info. Lucas has it documented in other videos of his as well.
Since I am not a document expert and an expert could easily make a video that could sway me either way I try to avoid making judgments of authenticity. That goes for Obama’s released BC as well.
That said, I am struck by some key elements of Lucas’ document that have held up to scrutiny. He could not have anticipated all the criticism regarding the name of the hospital at the time, whether it was a Colony or Protectorate, that Dr. Ang’awa was shown to work just 8 miles at away when it was claimed he had never worked anywhere near Mombasa, that Ang’awa was shown to have a further tie to Obama via being a neighbor, the dating format being one used at the time (somewhat confusingly there was no real standard and two endian date formats have long been used in Kenya).
I have not seen this Kenyan birth document sufficiently debunked. That doesn’t mean it is valid but it has held up to the scrutiny of minutia very well. The documents Obama has released have not held up so well to say the least. There may be explainable reasons for that (more videos debunking it and more documents to compare it to) but it clearly seems to be the case.
@ DGroundhog:
What do you mean that you have not seen the “Kenyan birth certificate sufficiently debunked?” Lucas D. Smith said that he got it in Mombasa and has never proven that he WENT to Mombasa. As to the information you cite, sure, he could have done the research.
But if he claims that he got it in Mombasa and refuses to show that he went to Mombasa and is a former felon and the officials in Kenya say that Obama was not born there:
Jon Chessoni, first Secretary at the Kenyan Embassy in Washington, DC, said, speaking of inquiries the Embassy received about President Obama being born in Kenya: “When this matter first came up, the Kenyan government did its research and confirmed that these are all baseless claims.” (The McCain campaign and probably the Hillary campaign made similar checks and found nothing.)
And only 21 people came to the USA from Kenya in 1961, and Obama’s Kenyan grandmother NEVER said that he was born there. (Birthers simply cut the tape before she answered the question “whereabouts was he born?” to which she replied repeatedly HAWAII) and there is a birth certificate that shows that Obama was born in HAWAII, and it is been confirmed repeatedly by the officials in Hawaii and by Index Data and by the notices sent to the newspapers in 1961 by the DOH of Hawaii.
…..then it is nutty to believe the “Kenyan birth certificate” posted by Lucas D. Smith.
Focus simply on the fact that Lucas D. Smith said that he got the birth certificate in Mombasa and has not shown that he went to Kenya. He doesn’t have to show it, of course. But then you do not have to believe him either. Why doesn’t he show it? Probably because he was never in Kenya.
ehancock wrote:
Thats a lie and I yes I know your source. However, a 1961 Colonial Report from the Colony and Protectorate of Kenya says otherwise:
In 1961 at least 6,792 Americans visited East Africa (i.e., Kenya, Tanganyika, Uganda and Zanzibar).
Are you telling me that out of nearly 7,000 Americans that only 21 of them visited Kenya and returned from Kenya to the USA?
“Stanley Ann Dunham goes to Kenya.” (October 22. 2011)
http://www.wasobamaborninkenya.com/blog/barrack-obama-eligibility/stanley-ann-dunham-goes-to-kenya/
@ Lucas Daniel Smith:
The INS document appears on this page:
It is entitled: Passengers Arived in the United States, by Sea and Air … By Country of Embarkation: Year Ended June 30, 1962.
If you look at the table, you will see that only 21 people came to the USA from Kenya (and Kenya is where he is supposed to have been born) in 1961. Of these, 14 were aliens and only 7 were Us citizens, and of the 21 twenty came to the USA by sea, and only one by air.
That is what the document shows. In addition to that, there is the statement by the official of the Kenyan government:
Jon Chessoni, first Secretary at the Kenyan Embassy in Washington, DC, said, speaking of inquiries the Embassy received about President Obama being born in Kenya: “When this matter first came up, the Kenyan government did its research and confirmed that these are all baseless claims.”
In addition to that there is the research of WND, which has proven with a FOI Act request that Obamas’ father was in Hawaii in August 1961, so IF Obama’s mother had really traveled ten thousand miles to Kenya, she would have had to have traveled ALONE–and how likely is that?
@ ehancock:
So your position is that an official 1961 Colonial Report from the Colony and Protectorate of Kenya is incorrect and erroneous?
@ DGroundhog:
Great to see you here on the blog, DGroundhog!
@ Lucas Daniel Smith:
My position is that the US Immigration and Naturalization Service figures are accurate.
My position is that if you had actually been to Kenya, you would show a passport page with a Kenya stamp on it.
@ ehancock:>>
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@ ehancock:
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@ ehancock:
THERE ARE RECORDS OF SEVERAL GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS OF KENYA WHO HAVE READILY ADMITTED THAT obummer WAS BORN IN KENYA , INCLUDING MEMBERS OF THE KENYAN PARLIAMENT .
GET OVER IT . YOUR HERO IS A ZERO AND A LIAR AND YOU ARE BECOMING EXCEPTIONALLY IRRITATING ~ WHICH IS PROBABLY YOUR INTENTION .
BUZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ OFF .
Re: “THERE ARE RECORDS OF SEVERAL GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS OF KENYA WHO HAVE READILY ADMITTED THAT obummer WAS BORN IN KENYA , ”
No, that is not accurate. What is accurate is that there are several officials in Kenya who believe that Obama was born in Kenya, just as there are some birthers in America who believe that Obama was born in Kenya. But the officials in Kenya have never shown any proof whatsoever. And the official investigation of the Kenyan government is this:
Jon Chessoni, first Secretary at the Kenyan Embassy in Washington, DC, said, speaking of inquiries the Embassy received about President Obama being born in Kenya: “When this matter first came up, the Kenyan government did its research and confirmed that these are all baseless claims.
It remains a FACT that only 21 people came to the USA from Kenya in 1961, and the ten-thousand mile trip from Hawaii to Kenya would have been enormously, gigantically expensive for Obama’s mother to take, and a risky one given that Kenya had Yellow Fever at the time, and as noted, if she had taken that trip, she would have had to have traveled alone—which is extremely unlikely. And, there is a birth certificate for Obama in Hawaii, confirmed by the officials of both parties, confirmed by the Index Data, confirmed by the birth notices sent to the newspapers of Hawaii in 1961 by the DOH of Hawaii. In addition to these facts, there is this:
Barbara Nelson recalls a conversation with Dr. Rodney West who practiced at Kapi’olani (he retired in 1977), who told her that “Stanley had a baby.” (In fact, she said she wrote home about the birth to a woman named Stanley to her father, who also is named Stanley.)
And this:
An August 1961 hand-written memo from William Wood II in the State Department files for Obama Sr. state that Barack Obama II was born on August 4, 1961 in Honolulu.
And this:
@ ehancock:
Do you ever quit the spinning. Do you not realize that you’re operating on the “lunatic fringe” with what you’ve been reguritating on different blog sites. You have no conclusive proof where ObummO was born. Noone, including you, can say where he was born until the numerous original records/documents the American people have asked for – now going on 4 years – are released.
What is accurate is to say there has been a number of sources going as far back as 1991 that have made claims that ObummO was either a Kenyan or Kenyan born, and that is a fact. The pivot point on this looks to be around the time his handlers couldn’t get the Article II eligibility clause changed then he magically started having a Hawaiian Birth.
It does seem far-fetched that ObummO’s American-hating mother, Stanley Ann, would travel to Kenya to give birth, but stranger things have happened. I’ve read the Barbara Nelson statement – nothing but pure 3rd party hearsay. The William Wood memo is what Obama Sr. was claiming. The Dr. Con article is him trying to dupe his loyal dumb-down flock. He knows that was not an official statement or released document for Kapiolani Hospital.
I replied to some of your spewings on Fred Thompson’s blog but the last 2 were blocked. Here’s what important in 1 of them:
ehancock: And, for those who think that this is only recent conclusions and hence revisionist, there is this from 1829:
“Therefore every person born within the United States, its territories or districts, whether the parents are citizens or aliens, is a natural born citizen in the sense of the Constitution, and entitled to all the rights and privileges appertaining to that capacity.”—William Rawle, A VIEW OF THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. 2d ed. (1829)
~~You left out the 1st part of Rawle’s statement. [tricks of the Obots] He then goes on in the next paragraph explaining how all the citizens of the individual states, regardless of the citizenship status of their parents, were grandfathered in when the Constitution was ratified. Just like some of the 1st presidents who didn’t have citizen parents. In that sense, Rawle’s was pointing out they were seen as natural-born citizens.
@ Rambo Ike:
A complete searchable copy of Rawle’s book is available on his site:
http://books.google.com/books?id=PicTAAAAYAAJ&printsec=frontcover&dq=William+Rawle,+A+VIEW+OF+THE+CONSTITUTION+OF+THE+UNITED+STATES+OF+AMERICA.+2d+ed.+%281829%29&source=bl&ots=VPcVmbtgnU&sig=npw6KJKJC8XDIlw8qq0sbE-RhTk&hl=en&sa=X&ei=e7YrUMjUMIb00gGkrIAY&ved=0CDIQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=natural%20born&f=false
Unfortunately, the site does not allow you to clip from it.
HOWEVER, anyone who goes to the site and searches Rawle’s book for Natural Born will see that there is nothing after the section that I quoted that says that the citizens were “grandfathered in” and that this affects Natural Born status. In fact, the sentences after what I quoted say again that the meaning of Natural Born refers to place. In one of the sentences Rawle stresses that the “principle that the place of birth creates the relative quality is established as to us.” This is confirmation that he is using the term in the common law sense, and not in the Vattel sense, which was the case with Tucker too.
It remains nutty to believe that Obama was born in Kenya. Very unusual things happen from time to time. Perhaps Obama’s parents won several major lotteries and became very wealthy in just a week or two. But there is no evidence of that happening, and it is unlikely.
It is JUST AS UNLIKELY, and there is just as much evidence (none) that Obama’s mother traveled ten thousand miles to Kenya ALONE. That would have been rare, but it would be even more rare for her to do so and deliver a child in Kenya, and there be no evidence of that happening, and no US travel document for the child to get him to the USA, and the officials in Kenya saying that it never happened. And it would be even more rare for her to have done all that AND there be a birth certificate for Obama in Hawaii. And we know that there is one due to the repeated confirmations of the officials of BOTH parties in Hawaii, the Index Data and the birth notices in the Hawaii newspapers.
Yes, some people as far as 1991 said that Obama was born in Kenya. So they are WRONG. People can say that he was born on the Moon. There is no evidence that he was, and there is evidence that he was born in Hawaii. Only 21 people came to the USA from Kenya in 1961. Do you realize how rare the Kenya myth would be. Obama’s mother would have had to have traveled alone, got home without a travel document for her child gotten Hawaii to issue a birth certificate for Obama that said that he was born in Kapiolani Hospital, and do all that within the 21 people who came to the USA from Kenya that year.
@ ehancock:
Further to your comments. You said that Barbara Nelson, who said that she had written home to her father, named Stanley, about hearing that a child was born in Hawaii to a woman named Stanley, was “3rd party hearsay.” Does that mean that you claim that she was lying? If so, was her father not really called Stanley? (Answer: He was.)
You said: “The William Wood memo is what Obama Sr. was claiming. ” So you are claiming that an INS investigator did not do his job and check. He just took the word of Obama senior that he had had a child and that his child was born in Hawaii. But that is not the way that the INS works. It does check out claims. That is because it is supposed to check out claims. Perhaps in some cases it does not do what it is supposed to do, but that is rare. The odds are that it checked.
Re Kapiolani Hospital. I will grant you that it is not an official statement and hence is not evidence. I’m not citing it as evidence, only that birthers prefer not to look at facts like this. The main facts that they prefer not to look at, of course, is the fact that Obama has shown a birth certificate from Hawaii, and that the facts on it have been repeatedly confirmed by the officials in Hawaii (the most recent confirmation having been accepted by the CONSERVATIVE secretary of state of Arizona), and confirmed by the Index Data file, and confirmed by the birth notices sent to the Hawaii newspapers by the DOH of Hawaii in 1961.
No hospital seems to be saying that Mitt Romney was born there, and in fact the “birth certificate” that Mitt Romney has shown does not even show the name of the hospital on it.
@ Rambo Ike:
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@ ARNOLD CARL TAPP:
You can ignore the facts. You can hope that they will go away, but they are still the facts.
@ ehancock:
NO YOU SILLY FOOL ! YOU ARE THE ONE WHO IGNORES FACTS AND
OBVIOUS EVIDENCE . WE ALL HOPE THAT YOU WILL GO AWAY AND
KEEP YOUR NOSE OUT OF THIS FORUM . WE HAVE BEEN RESEARCHING THE FACTS FOR ALMOST 4 YEARS , AND DEALING WITH obummer LOVERS LIKE YOU , BUT WE ARE SICK AND TIRED OF YOU SO GET LOST IN YOUR
OWN STUPIDITY .
Re: “WE HAVE BEEN RESEARCHING THE FACTS FOR ALMOST 4 YEARS …”
And as a result the CONSERVATIVE secretary of state of Arizona has just accepted the confirmation of the officials in Hawaii that Obama was born in Hawaii and hence Obama will be on the ballot in Arizona, as he will in all 50 states.
Sure looks like you have been researching for nothing. AND you guys still believe a fellow who told you that he got a “birth certificate” for Obama from a hospital in Mombasa, even though the fellow refuses to show that he had ever been to Kenya.
No wonder Ann Coulter, Glenn Beck and the National Review all call birthers CRAZY.
@ ARNOLD CARL TAPP:
Forum Doctrine: “Please exercise your free speech in the comments section………. There are no stipulations of political correctness on this blog. Speak your mind, give us your thoughts…………………. remember that posting a comment is much like casting a vote, so please do so and thank you.”
Aren’t you contradicting yourself & being a Speech Nazi? That’s the way the Obots operate their blog sites – it’s their way or the highway.
I don’t agree with ehancock, but she has on occasion presented a fact or two that creates a challenge to find out what the truth is. To me it’s better to place loose & be a devil’s advocate till you can sort out fact from fiction.
@ ehancock:
Here’s an edition that is easier to read, and you can copy & paste from it:
http://www.constitution.org/wr/rawle_09.htm
Scroll part way down to subject: The power to establish an uniform system of naturalization is also an exclusive one.
“Contents” at bottom will take you to the front page & index
I said it backwards. It’s the 1st part [before your quote] of the paragraph where Rawle is adding all people of the individual states, regardless of citizenship status, to a new United States citizenship with the ratification of the Constitution. That’s how I’m reading it. Further down on the same subject he is using Vattel when he writes about the citizen parents and the right of the child to decide.
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ehancock: “Yes, some people as far as 1991 said that Obama was born in Kenya. So they are WRONG. People can say that he was born on the Moon. There is no evidence that he was, and there is evidence that he was born in Hawaii.”
~~ I will partly agree with you, a Kenyan birth seems remote compared to the other possibilities that have been mentioned. So in a nutshell, what you’re doing here is calling ObummO’s wife Mooch, National Public Radio, the Kenyan Ambassador, Kenyan Parliament, many African newspapers, and more recently his book publisher, all a bunch of “bald-faced liars”.
@ ehancock:
Barbara Nelson’s yarn remains 3rd Party hearsay until she signs a deposition & takes a couple independent polygraphs. The Obots tried something similar on either Dr. Con’s propaganda site or Woodman’s FantasyLand blog [forget which]. They claimed to have an eyewitness to ObummO’s birth, a swedish woman, but when I asked them about producing her, get her to sing a deposition and take a couple polygraphs, they ran from it claiming 50 year old memories aren’t reliable. Snopes, an Obummo toady site, tried to use the Nelson yarn for the doctor who delivered ObummO, and then had to start scrubbing when the phony long form was released in 2011 showing another doctor.
The Woods Memo is interesting. It’s part of some other documents on Obama Sr. during that time frame. His student visa had expired when he made that claim – possibly to use Jr as an anchor baby.
Why is Kapiolani Hospital having such a hard time releasing admission records for Stanley Ann? What’s the big secret? Maybe he wasn’t born there, eh? All the $millions they’re losing in publicity – makes no sense at all.
Ask Ann Coulter, Glenn Beck and the National Review to provide some conclusive proof to where Obummo was born. Like the sorry Obots, all they can do is smear & call people names.
Why hasn’t Lucas yet publicly released copies of documents, such as his passport or purchase receipts for food, lodging, etc. to PROVE HE TRAVELED TO KENYA in February 2009?
First and importantly, readers of this blog should be aware that Lucas MAY already have released this type of documentation PRIVATELY to a few selected individuals. Regardless, as in ‘seven card stud poker’, Lucas has wisely chosen to keep a few of his ‘cards’ in the ‘hole’ or ‘pocket’ and not publicly visible to all the other players in this dangerous, high stakes ‘game’ that started with Obama’s illegal POTUS election in 2008.
The extensive, ruthless, unprincipled, ‘Obama Subterranean Support Team’ (obots) would LOVE to have Lucas publicly release these documents so they could start employing their customary ‘gotcha’ tactics, or worse. That is why, of course, they incessantly keep demanding to view these documents.
If Lucas releases a copy of his passport, for example, the ‘obots’ might falsely claim that the the “ink shade on the passport stamp was wrong” for his entry into Kenya in 2009. Therefore, according to them, the document is a ‘forgery’ and they will quickly and effectively distribute this false claim throughout the blogosphere.
They may somehow locate or even forge a passport having a ‘different’ (though not necessary uniquely correct) shade of ink on the Kenyan-entry stamp to substantiate their claim. However, it makes no difference if their false claim is supported with facts or not, the information gets distributed anyway. That’s just the way the obots operate.
Then, if Lucas at some future date is called to testify in support of the Obama CPGH-BC, the opposition lawyers will boldly state – “Smith never even went to Kenya in 2009 and the stamped passport he is now presenting to this court has been broadly discredited on the internet!”
As another example, if Lucas releases a copy of a receipt to a small restaurant in Mombasa he stopped by for lunch in February 2009, orders may be given to have that quaint little place conveniently burned to the ground.
Then, if Lucas at some future date is called to testify in support of the Obama CPGH-BC, the opposition lawyers will boldly state – “Smith never even went to Kenya in 2009 and that Kenyan restaurant receipt he is now presenting to this court does not even exist. The address shown is for a gas station! That receipt is obviously a forgery!”
Yes, the obots are indeed capable of even this type of violent action! Lives have already been lost in this fight!
I am glad that Lucas has chosen to keep a few cards face down in this high stakes, critically important game that directly impacts our country’s security and future!
@ Bruce:
WELL SAID , BRUCE AND THANK YOU . THERE IS NO NEED FOR LUCAS TO PUBLICLY SHOW HIS PASSPORT OR ANY OTHER DOCUMENTS WHICH HAVE NOT ALREADY BEEN SHOWN . ANY POKER PLAYER KNOWS TO HOLD BACK THE IMPORTANT CARDS UNTIL IT IS TIME TO PROVE EVERYTHING IN A HEARING AT COURT OR FOR THE CONGRESS .
>>>>>>>>>> BRAVO , HOORAY , AND ENCORE <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
@ Rambo Ike:
WRONG AGAIN ! THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO EVIDENCE THAT obozo WAS
BORN IN HAWAI ‘ I . THE GREEN PAPER POSTED BY WHITEHOUSE OFFICIALS HAS BEEN DECLARED A FAKE , FORGED , FALSE AND WORTHLESS RAG .
THE AUTHENTIC BIRTH CERTIFICATE POSTED ON THIS SITE AND OTHERS , HAS NEVER EVEN BEEN CHALLENGED . HOW DO IMAGINE THE EMPLOYEES
OF COAST PROVINCE GENERAL HOSPITAL COULD POSSIBLY FORGE SUCH AN ACCURATE RECORD OF THE BIRTH OF obummer IN THE 20 MINUTES OR SO THAT IT TOOK LUCAS SMITH TO HAVE THE DOCUMENT IN HIS HAND ?????
No hospital has released admission records for Mitt Romney’s mother either.
Obama has published both the short form official birth certificate of Hawaii and the long form birth certificate which has the name of the hospital (Kapiolani) and the doctor who delivered Obama on it. In contrast, Mitt Romney has shown only an image of a photocopy of a short form birth certificate that does not even show the name of the hospital or the doctor.
The director of health of Hawaii certified in writing that she had seen Obama’s long form birth certificate being copied from the original in the files, and that the copy was exactly the same as the original, and that that copy was what was given to Obama’s lawyer. At least two Republican officials had stated that they had seen the original. So, if there were anything different between the original and what they saw, they could have said, and they said nothing.
Also, there were notices of Obama’s birth in the newspapers in Hawaii in 1961. And these were not ads placed by relatives. They could not have been ads because the Hawaii newspapers did not accept birth notice ads in 1961. They only took the official notices sent to them by the government of Hawaii, which only sent out the notices for births IN Hawaii. And, the government could not have been fooled by a claim of a birth at home because in those cases it demanded witness statements.
So Obama’s parents would have had to have:
(1) traveled to Kenya or some other country late in pregnancy at high risk and high expense (particularly to Kenya), and Obama’s mother would have had to have traveled alone–since WND has proven that Obama senior was in Hawaii at the time of birth;
(2) got the child back to the USA without either a visa or his being entered on his mother’s US passport or somehow had the files of the document and the applications for the document all sealed;
(3) lied about the place of birth (which is also unlikely because when you have done something interesting like give birth in a foreign country you generally boast about it. And it is also unnecessary to lie since for all purposes but the presidency a naturalized child is as good as a natural born one);
(4) gotten away with the lie despite evidence that Hawaii demanded witness statements whenever there was a claim of a birth outside of a hospital;
(5) got three Republican officials in Hawaii to lie about the fact that the original birth certificate in Obama’s files verified that he was born in Hawaii.
ALL of that would have had to have happened for Obama to have been born outside of the USA.
@ Bruce:
Privately vs publicly is as different as an apple is to an orange. What you say might be occuring privately might very well be true, but trying to get people publicly through the internet to believe the Lucas Smith Birth Certificate is genuine without any documented evidence to support it doesn’t pass muster.
How are you any different than the sorry Obots who claim because somebody in Hawaii told them a copy of ObummO’s Birth Certificate is genuine that should be the final word and stand as the gospel truth.
I’m one of the millions who hope Lucas can provide the necessary evidence needed so we can frog-march the evil marxist usurper ObummO out of the White House to the Big House where he belongs.
@ Ellen:
Ok Ellen, let us go on the assumption that everything you say is the absolute truth. Then there should be no problem with you & your fellow comrades joining with the Birthers to get the necessary original documents/records released for inspection. That way there will no longer be any doubts and you will have officially proven the birthers wrong.
And please, don’t even try to insult my intelligence by saying Hawaiian law won’t allow it.
@ Rambo Ike:
IKE , THE INFORMATION YOU REFER TO HAS BEEN SHOWN AND DIVULGED TO SOME OF THE ‘ RIGHT ‘ PEOPLE . WE WHO SUPPORT AND BELIEVE IN LUCAS SMITH HAVE ADOPTED A STAND THAT WE ” DO NOT HAVE A NEED TO KNOW “. IN THE END , WE HOPE THAT SOME MEMBER OF CONGRESS WILL CALL FOR A FULL AND THOROUGH INVESTIGATION OF THE USURPER , AND WILL ASK FOR ALL THE RECORDS OF LUCAS SMITH ‘ S TRAVEL , ETC . JUST BE PATIENT .
>>>> ” THE WHEELS OF JUSTICE TURN SLOWLY ” . <<<<
@ Rambo Ike:
____________________ TOUCHE ‘ _______________________
Rambo Ike wrote:
Lucas has been working for quite some time now to provide the additional public assurance of authenticity for his document that some people apparently feel is required. To my knowledge, this additional ‘assurance’, IF and when it is released, will NOT involve a public posting of copies of his ‘African Trip Receipts’ and ‘Passport Stamps’, for the reasons that I believe I EXPLAINED QUITE CLEARLY in my earlier post here.
Attempts to authenticate ‘African Historical Records’ can be very expensive and also can sometimes be very DANGEROUS to those seeking the authentication, as Lucas has learned from hard experience!
The process can also be potentially DANGEROUS to those helping to directly provide the authentication.
We are dealing with ‘real life’ and ‘real people’ here, not just largely anonymous ‘internet blog’ stuff!
@ Rambo Ike:
Obama has shown both the images and the actual physical copies of his birth certificate. No one can show the original because it is in the files, and states do not allow outsiders into their files. The official copy is not the one in the files, which does not even have a seal on it. The official copy is the official physical copy on security paper with the seal on the back.
The is what Obama has shown. In contrast, Mitt Romney has shown only an image of a photocopy of his short form birth certificate. That document does not show the seal, nor does it show the name of the doctor or the hospital, nor has any official in Michigan confirmed the facts on Romney’s birth certificate.
If Lucas D. Smith actually had been to Kenya, as he has claimed, he would have a KENYA stamp on his passport, and he could scan the passport and show the page with that stamp on it.
Getting back to the original claim of a group of unnamed people who alleged that they had gone to the British national files and found that Obama’s father had a son recorded in “The Protectorate of East Africa.”
Grandma Sarah’s Poster Calendar — Obama: ‘The Kenyan Wonder-Boy’
According to the British documentary film, linked below, Barack Obama’s paternal step-grandmother in Kenya, Sarah Oyango Obama, has a 2005 poster calendar on the wall of her home that proclaims “The Kenyan Wonder-Boy in the U.S.: Senator Barrack Obama”!
A photo of Grandma Sarah’s poster calendar can be viewed at the following link:
http://www.wasobamaborninkenya.com/InspectorSmith/showthread.php/2362-Mama-Sarah-s-poster-calendar-The-Kenyan-Wonder-Boy-in-the-U-S-Senator-Barrack-Obama
Video: Obama’s Kenyan Roots
Uploaded by journeymanpictures on Jan 24, 2008
The video can be viewed at:
The wall-mounted, ‘Kenyan Wonder-Boy’ poster calendar is shown between the 2.05 to 2.10 marks in the video.
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Grandma Sarah’s ‘Kenyan Wonder-Boy’ poster calendar provides substantial support for the ‘Obama Kenyan Birth Scenario’. It’s inconceivable that the extreme level of ADORATION shown for BHO-II throughout the entire country of Kenya, as indicated by the calendar, could have resulted simply from a birth which occurred half-way around the world in Hawaii about 50 years ago, to a white woman from Kansas, allegedly married for a scant 3 years to a low-level Kenyan bureaucrat.
Ann Dunham and Barack Obama Sr. never even lived together as man and wife! Furthermore, it is not likely that Barack Sr. even met his son in person until 1971, when Barack Jr. was 10 years old. The record shows that Sr. and Jr. only met briefly that one time in Hawaii, but never in Kenya.
It’s obvious — OBAMA WAS BORN IN KENYA!
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The below-linked article provides more information regarding the poster calendar:
Grandma Sarah’s poster celebrates ‘Kenyan Wonder-Boy’
Film documents calendar in village home of Obama’s relative
WND
Jerome R. Corsi
8/29/2012
@ ehancock:
I don’t understand this. Are you saying the copies released are not copies of the original?
How easy would it be for someone making a copy to change up some info on it?
How many people have actually seen the original?
Kenya: Obama Cannot Be More Kenyan Than the Kenyans
allAfrica.com
Allan Brian Ssenyonga
9/1/2012
Excerpt:
“A few years back, Barack Obama became the buzz word all over the world. In Africa and East Africa to be precise, Obama was more of an epidemic. People of all ages got to know who he was, his relatives and so much more. Eventually, he got the world’s most coveted job and made history as America’s first black leader.
Songs were made about Obama, children were named after him, matatus in Kenya had his face and in Kampala a brand of chapattis – Obama chapatti -became a top-selling delicacy among city dwellers. The fact that Obama’s father was Kenyan was used as a justification for East Africans to obsess and ‘own’ him.
However, our ownership of the most powerful man has not paid off quite well since he has not even visited his home country during his four years as American president. Now he is back to the vote hunting trip and although our excitement about him has waned a little many people around here still prefer him back in office and not Mitt Romney.
In fact some don’t even know that he is up against anyone in this election. All they know is that he is trying to keep his job and they are cheering him on. There are others who are keenly following the US elections on a day to day basis and posting on Facebook or Twitter every twist in the race.
Just like the English Premier League football, we now have a crop of East Africans who know so much about what is happening in the US and what it means you may think they are working for the American embassies here. After all, it is important for them to know the fate and chances of their Kenyan brother Barry.
What some of these people forget is that actually, Barack Obama is not more Kenyan than the Kenyans. Just like the Americans, the Kenyans will also have a general election coming up in the near future and in my view it has more impact on the lives of the East Africans than that of the Americans.”
(bold emphasis added in the above paragraphs)
………………………..
View the complete article at:
http://allafrica.com/stories/201209020090.html
@ Bruce:
GREETINGS STEADY MAN . THERE MAY BE SOME GOOD NEWS . THE U.S. SUPREME COURT HAS SCHEDULED A HEARING ON SEPT . 24 , 2012 TO DETERMINE THE ” INELIGIBILITY ” OF obozo . LET US HOPE AND PRAY THEY ISSUE A JUDGEMENT THAT HE IS NOT A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN OF AMERICA AND IMMEDIATELY ORDER HIM TO VACATE OUR OVAL OFFICE AND WHITEHOUSE . THAT WOULD BE THE SALVATION OF AMERICA AND OUR CONSTITUTION , AND MAKE NULL AND VOID EVERY BILL , ACT , TREATY AND APPOINTMENT MADE BY THE USURPER , INCLUDING THE FRANKENSTEIN HEALTH CARE BILL AND INDETERMINATE DETENTION ACT.
FOLLOW CLOSELY AND PRAY .
@ ARNOLD CARL TAPP:
No it hasn’t. The Supreme Court has scheduled a conference on whether or not to take the case, as it puts all requests to take cases on a schedule of conferences by the justices to determine whether or not to take those cases. It rejects virtually all such requests, and so far it has rejected ALL birther requests.
Re “Kenyan Wonder Boy”:
Were you under the impression that a calender saying “Kenyan Wonder Boy” is proof of birth in Kenya? Does it even MEAN born in Kenya???? After all, he does have Kenyan blood, his father was Kenyan. Obama is partially Kenyan by blood. Don’t you think that there is a chance that the calendar was referring to Obama’s Kenyan ancestry???
In any case, the Kenyan government has said that Obama was NOT born in Kenya. Jon Chessoni, first Secretary at the Kenyan Embassy in Washington, DC, said, speaking of inquiries the Embassy received about President Obama being born in Kenya: “When this matter first came up, the Kenyan government did its research and confirmed that these are all baseless claims.” (http://washingtonindependent.com/53654/forged-kenyan-document-splinters-birther-movement)
The Kenyan government has said that Obama was NOT born there. The Hawaii government, officials of both parties, has said that Obama WAS born there. And that is further confirmed by the Index Data and the birth notices sent to the newspapers by the DOH of Hawaii in 1961.
@ Rambo Ike:
Re: “I don’t understand this. Are you saying the copies released are not copies of the original?”
Romney’s alleged birth certificate is only an image of the photocopy of a short-form birth certificate, a computer-generated form that does not show even the name of the hospital or the name of the doctor. It is certainly not a copy of the original.
Re: “How easy would it be for someone making a copy to change up some info on it?”
I have absolutely no idea.
Re: “How many people have actually seen the original?”
If indeed that is an image of the short-form birth certificate of Romney, at least one person saw the original, the clerk who filled in the form that generated the short-form birth certificate. The same holds for Obama, the clerk who filled in the form for the short-form, but in addition to the clerk, Obama’s birth original certificate was seen by the two Republican officials who issued the first confirmation, and by the Director of Health of Hawaii who stated in a letter that she had seen the original in the process of being copied onto security paper to make the official physical copy. In addition to those confirmations, there is the Index Data, proving that there is a birth certificate for Obama in the files, and there are the birth notices sent to the newspapers in 1961 by the DOH of Hawaii. AND there is the witness who wrote home about the birth in Hawaii of a child to a woman named Stanley to her father, also named Stanley.
@ Carl (ARNOLD CARL TAPP)
Comment regarding the obot, ‘ethancock’, from George Miller at Obama State Ballot Challenge 2012 —
“It’s fun to watch Mario smack down Obots. This site is not a place for endless debates with them, but sometimes, we have to set the record straight. If you want their views, go to their sites, or MSM.
from Mario ….
Looks like ehancock still does not know what she is talking about, is still trying to prove me wrong, and now fails again as she has continuously failed in the past. Here are my responses to ehancock. Her statements are quoted and my responses follow:”
The above is an excerpt from the post:
Attorney Mario Apuzzo Responds to Ehancock on “Natural Born Citizen”
Obama State Ballot Challenge 2012
GeorgeM
8/30/2012
View the complete, detailed post at:
http://obamaballotchallenge.com/attorney-mario-apuzzo-responds-to-ehancock-on-natural-born-citizen
@ ehancock:
That was some fancy detouring you did. I was asking about the ObummO’s birth certificate.
I have on record 1 of your Obot propaganda masters, the marxist-minded Dr. Con, agreeing with me that there is no way to tell if a copy is genuine unless you’re allowed to inspect the original to see if it matches. Also, faux-conservative Woodman on that Folly he callls a blog said it would be best.
My questions were to the ObummO birth certificate: Are you saying the copies released are not copies of the original? How easy would it be for someone making a copy to change up some info on it? How many people have actually seen the original?
Do you see something wrong with officials from 1 state being allowed to withhold evidence on a higher federal level position that affects the 49 other states too plus all American citizen voters?
@ Rambo Ike:
What was your question again? How can I answer it if you are not clear?
I agree with you and Dr. Conspiracy that there is no way to tell if a birth certificate is genuine unless you inspect the official physical copy, the one on security paper with the official embossed seal on the back. So, a question for you. So, why didn’t the birther sites, such as WND, ask to see the official PHYSICAL copy and not just blow smoke making crazy allegations about the image of the birth certificate?
You could say, “do you really think that the White House would provide a copy to WND?” And the answer to that is, of course, that if the White House refused to provide a copy of it to WND, then WND could and would report that fact. So obviously it would have good motive to try to see the physical copy if it REALLY thought that it was forged.
But what if it were not forged? What if WND took the official physical copy to such acknowledged document experts as the members of the the American Board of Forensic Document Examiners or the American Society of Questioned Document Experts or the Association of Forensic Document Examiners–which are some of the organizations of people who examine documents–and they were to say “there is nothing wrong with it?” What then? Well, the birther movement would be over. So better for WND and the other birther sites to simply keep on blowing smoke, making claims about the Web images of the birth certificate and never asking to see the real physical document.
Obama has published images of the birth certificates, short form and long form, and shown the physical copies of both of them to the press AND Hawaii has stated that it sent the birth certificates to Obama, and there is the Index Data file, and there were birth notices sent to the papers by the DOH of Hawaii in 1961.
Obama’s mother lived in Hawaii. Obama’s father was studying in Hawaii. There is not a shred of evidence that either of them went from Hawaii to any other country in 1961—and certainly not to Kenya, where the Kenyan government said that it checked on the “born in Kenya” claim and found that it was false. Hawaii is thousands of miles from any foreign country, and pregnant women rarely traveled late in pregnancy in those days, and yet birthers think that there could be a chance that Obama was born outside of the USA and that the officials of both parties in Hawaii are lying about that fact.
@ Rambo Ike:
Re: “Do you see something wrong with officials from 1 state being allowed to withhold evidence on a higher federal level position that affects the 49 other states too plus all American citizen voters?”
Sorry. I don’t know what you are referring to. Hawaii did provide confirmation to the Secretary of State of Arizona that Obama was born there and that all the facts on Obama’s birth certificate are accurate. And in fact the Secretary of State of Arizona accepted that confirmation as evidence, and he ruled that Obama will be on the ballot in Arizona in November.
Was that what you were referring to, or was there something else?
This guy is being hailed expert at debunking Obama “conspiracies” at azcentral. Would love to see one of you who have been at this for years take him down a notch or 2. Here he post about Larry Klayman, read the readers’ comments. Obama Conspiracy Theories: http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2012/09/voeltz-v-obama-take-ii-dismissed/
@ Patriotress:
You must be referring to John. He might as well be spitting into the wind posting on that propaganda site Dr. Con calls a blog. Brains and common sense is not a requirement for membership. It’s all mindless babble. One posts something in a response and the the rest of the birdbrains show up to sing in harmony. It’s the Blind leading the Blind. I see ARNOLD CARL TAPP also took a dive into their abyss of never ending mindless rhetoric.
@ ehancock:
ehancock: “Hawaii did provide confirmation to the Secretary of State of Arizona that Obama was born there and that all the facts on Obama’s birth certificate are accurate.”
Slick but no cigar. Big difference between someone claiming the facts are accurate and providing the “original” document as evidence.
Recently, there as been another twist in the Immaculate Deception.
Isn’t it possible since the ObummO has been caught in so many lies that the claim of a Kenyan daddy might also be another whopper?
Pondering: “Will ehancock ever understand why the records/documents need to be released.”
Re: “Slick but no cigar. Big difference between someone claiming the facts are accurate and providing the “original” document as evidence. ”
Hawaii cannot show the original birth certificate, which is in the files and cannot be accessed by anyone other than in government. Also, it cannot send out official copies of the birth certificate to anyone not on the list of persons and organizations eligible to see it. All that it can do when a government specifies that it needs the information on official business is confirm the facts on a birth certificate. That is what the Secretary of State of Arizona ASKED Hawaii to do, and Hawaii did it.
(1) The Kenyan government investigated whether or not Obama was born there, and found that he was NOT born there.
“Jon Chessoni, a first secretary at the Kenyan Embassy in Washington, can’t understand why his office gets so many baseless questions about whether Barack Obama was born in Kenya.
“It’s madness,” said Chessoni on Monday.“His father, in 1961, would not even have been in Kenya. When this matter first came up, the Kenyan government did its research and confirmed that these are all baseless claims.””
http://washingtonindependent.com/53654/forged…
(2) A grand total of 21 people came to the USA from Kenya in 1961, so the idea that Obama and his mother were two of them is pretty far-fetched.
(3) WND has proven with a FOI Act request that Obama senior was in Hawaii throughout 1961, so the notion that Obama’s mother traveled to Kenya, a country with Yellow Fever, at enormous expense and risk of stillbirth ALONE is also extremely far-fetched.
(4) There is no documentary proof that Obama was born in any other country than the USA, and there would have to be proof if indeed it were true.
That is because a child born outside of the USA requires either a US visa on a foreign passport or to be entered on the mother’s US passport to get to the USA. Those documents or the applications for them would still exist and would have been found easily IF Obama was born outside of the USA. But no such document has been found. Yes, of course, a child could be smuggled across either the Mexican or Canadian border, but that does not apply to Hawaii (which does not have a land border with a foreign country) and it certainly does not apply to the allegation of birth in Kenya.
(5) The government of Hawaii has said that there is a birth certificate that shows that Obama was born in Hawaii, in Kapiolani Hospital. Officials of both political parties in Hawaii have stated this, and that includes the former Republican governor of Hawaii. That fact is further confirmed by the birth notices sent to the newspapers of Hawaii by the DOH of Hawaii in 1961 and by the Index Data.
(6) It is also useful to know that ONLY the DOH of Hawaii could sent those birth notices to the newspapers. That is because the section of the papers was called “Health Bureau Statistics”—so the notices had to come from the Health Bureau, the Department of Health. And in 1961 the DOH would only send out those notices for births IN Hawaii.
As for the allegation that someone other than Obama senior was Obamas’ father, that does not affect eligibility. Moreover, no one really knows who their father really is, so it is mere speculation. It is just as easy to speculate that Romney’s legal father, George, was not Romney’s real father.
Arnold…Arnold we in Kenya find you quite amusing and strangely feel sad for your obsession. In the era of google and great flight connections you clearly find it easier to malign the people of Kenya , relegate our top medical specialists to mediocre third worlders despite their flawless international credentials. I bet in the 60’s no one in your family had ever studied medicine or travelled out of their state or America!. Ever wonder why Kenyans do not bother to challenge you? we pity you because with all your supposed resources you still come across as really inept and JUST angry. Karibu(welcome to) Kenya, come breath in some fresh air really check out the coast. Its quite beautiful and up to date albeit OUR WAY. AND LEAVE OUR OBAMA ALONE. FIND ANOTHER SUCKER TO PISS ON- Plenty in the States. eg. J.Bush’s wife? Is she Mexican? Cuban? Martian?”
@ ehancock:
Here’s a good example of the flip-flopping I’ve had to deal with when confronting Obots on the birth issues. Above *you agreed* that there is noway to tell if a copy is genuine unless you have the “original” to compare it to. Now you make illogical statements that don’t overcome what *you agreed* to: “Hawaii cannot show the original birth certificate, which is in the files and cannot be accessed by anyone other than in government.” Using the spineless Arizona SOS and everything following that is you spinning. You can’t overcome your agreement – bottom line.
Lmao at: “… no one really knows who their father really is …..” Looks like you’re claiming all mommies are playing around.
@ saraswati tara:
YOU SILLY FOOL . YOUR IDIOTIC , UNEDUCATED RAMBLINGS ARE
LAUGHABLE . YOU MST HAVE SOME OTHER COMMENTER IN MIND TO SAY
THAT I EVEN MENTIONED ANY KENYAN EXCEPT BARRY SOETORO .WE ARE ALL VERY GRATEFUL TO THE KENYANS WHO HAVE PROVIDED MUCH EVIDENCE THAT obummer WAS BORN THERE .YOU CAN EXPECT US TO BE ANGRY , BECAUSE OUR CONSTITUTION HAS BEEN VIOLATED MANY TIMES BY THE KENYAN WHO DOES NOT BELONG HERE , AND WE WANT HIM TO BE DEPORTED BACK TO YOU .
DO NOT TELL ME ABOUT YOUR COAST AND FRESH AIR , BECAUSE I LIVE LESS THAN 7 MINUTES FROM A FANTASTIC PUBLIC BEACH WHICH IS 18 MILES
LONG AND HAS NO BUILDINGS .
” WE THE PEOPLE OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA ” WILL CONTINUE
TO FILE LAWSUITS AGAINST hussein obozo UNTIL WE WIN AND HAVE HIM
INDICTED , ARRESTED AND IMPRISONED OR DEPORTED TO KENYA .
Re: ” WE THE PEOPLE OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA ” WILL CONTINUE
TO FILE LAWSUITS AGAINST hussein obozo UNTIL WE WIN …”
Dream on.
Obama was not born in Kenya. There were only 21 people that came to the USA from Kenya in 1961 and the Kenyan government said that it investigated and found that he was not born there. The Hawaii government, representatives of both parties, say that he was born there, and this is further confirmed by the Index Data file and by the birth notices that were sent to the Hawaii newspapers in 1961 by the DOH of Hawaii.
The fact remains that the official birth certificate of a state is the one that is on security paper with the official seal that the state issues. That is what Obama has shown in both the short form and long form versions, and the officials of BOTH parties in the state have confirmed that they sent it to him and that all the facts on the version that he published are accurate.
@ ehancock:
THIS TOILET PAPER HAS BEEN DECLARED A FORGERY BY SEVERAL EXPERTS . THE AUTHENTIC KENYAN BIRTH CERTIFICATE FOR obummer HAS NOT BEEN CHALLENGED EXCEPT BY SUCH AMATEURS AND IDIOTS AS YOU . EXAMINE IT CLOSELY AND EXPLAIN TO US HOW THE COAST PROVINCE GENERAL HOSPITAL COULD POSSIBLY HAVE ACCESS TO EVERY MINUTE DETAIL OF THE BIRTH OF A NEWBORN . CONSIDER WHETHER IT WOULD BE POSSIBLE FOR ANYONE TO FORGE OR MAKE UP SUCH A DOCUMENT IN THE 15 MINUTES REQUIRED FOR LUCAS SMITH TO HAVE IT IN HIS HANDS .
Re: “EXAMINE IT CLOSELY AND EXPLAIN TO US HOW THE COAST PROVINCE GENERAL HOSPITAL COULD POSSIBLY HAVE ACCESS TO EVERY MINUTE DETAIL OF THE BIRTH OF A NEWBORN .”
Answer. No problem. The explanation is that the Coast Province Hospital never had anything to do with the “Kenyan birth certificate.” All of it, including the baby footprint, was forged by an American who had claimed that he went to Kenya, but never did. He has been repeatedly asked to show proof that he went to Kenya, but he has always refused.
Re: “CONSIDER WHETHER IT WOULD BE POSSIBLE FOR ANYONE TO FORGE OR MAKE UP SUCH A DOCUMENT IN THE 15 MINUTES REQUIRED FOR LUCAS SMITH TO HAVE IT IN HIS HANDS .”
Answer. You still seem to think that the birth certificate came from the Mombasa hospital, which is what Lucas Smith claimed. But that is not true. It was forged right here in the USA.
The Kenyan government did an investigation of the claim that Obama was born in Kenya, and found that it was false.
“Jon Chessoni, a first secretary at the Kenyan Embassy in Washington, can’t understand why his office gets so many baseless questions about whether Barack Obama was born in Kenya.
“It’s madness,” said Chessoni on Monday. “His father, in 1961, would not even have been in Kenya. When this matter first came up, the Kenyan government did its research and confirmed that these are all baseless claims.””
Obama was born in Hawaii, as his birth certificate from Hawaii shows, and the facts on it and that Hawaii sent it to him have been repeatedly confirmed by the officials of both parties in Hawaii, and further confirmed by the public Index Data files and still further confirmed by the fact that Obama’s birth notice was sent to the papers in 1961 by the Department of Health of Hawaii (and only the DOH could send birth notices to the Health Bureau Statistics section of the papers, and the DOH only sent them for children born in Hawaii).
Re “toilet paper.”
Only birther “experts”—who have not proved that they are really experts, and who certainly have not proved that they are fair and impartial say that there is anything wrong with the image of Obama’s birth certificate.
The birther “experts” include Paul Irey, who has repeatedly claimed that Obama did not attend Columbia College, despite the fact that Columbia University has stated that Obama did attend (and that he graduated). And they include Doug Vogt, who claims to have found the original altar of Abraham. It is such “experts” as these that the birthers rely on for their case.
There are many real experts who say that there is nothing wrong with Obama’s birth certificate, including John Woodman, who happens to be a member of the Tea Party and who dislikes Obama and Obama’s policies, but shows that the birther “experts” are wrong. They also include Ivan Zatkovich, who was hired by WND to examine the image of Obama’s birth certificate, and when he submitted his report that there was nothing wrong with Obama’s birth certificate, WND simply did not publish it.
@ ehancock:
STICK WITH YOUR FALSE STORIES AND SHOVE THEM UP YOUR ASS , YOU SILLY FOOL . WHEN THIS CASE IS FULLY INVESTIGATED AND YOU LEARN
THAT WE , THE SUPPORTERS OF LUCAS SMITH ‘ S TRUE STORY HAVE BEEN RIGHT ALL ALONG , YOU CAN HANG YOUR HEAD IN SHAME AND DISGRACE ALONG WITH YOUR TREASONOUS , FRAUDULENT, COMMUNIST, LYING , MUSLIM LOVING HERO .
I’m going to say this one more time.
If SCOTUS didn’t provide a CUTOFF POINT in its Natural Born Citizen ruling, or even if the supposed cutoff is “three Generations back…”
then the only way you can TRULY HAVE a “NATURAL BORN CITIZEN” sitting as your President…
…is you go and draft an INDIAN to run, get elected, and serve.
That’s it.
Now, folks…I know you don’t really want INSIGHT getting in the way of a great
BIT-HFEST going…
but, you know what?
WE THE PEOPLE electing ANYONE that isn’t a NATIVE AMERICAN, is also GUILTY of breaking this “NATURAL BORN” rule, en Masse.
Now, maybe you have ANOTHER REASON why all those NDAA camps are supposedly going up all around the country….
Hey, didn’t the whole lot of you cry, “We gotta lock up all the Criminals…BUILD MORE PRISONS!”
Ok….looks like the Congress Heard you!
You better hope that down the road, things will get calmed down and that the Facilities will be better put to use as HOMELESS SHELTERS and BATTERED WOMENS HOMES and ORPHANAGES…instead of JAILS…
which is what I think they were intended all along to be used for…
@ ARNOLD CARL TAPP:
Lucas D. Smith, who claimed to have gotten Obama’s birth certificate in Kenya, has constantly refused to show any proof that he, Lucas D. Smith, went to Kenya. What could be the reason for his not doing that?
The “born in Kenya” story is the height of the loony side of the birther movement. It is based on forgeries like that of Lucas D. Smith, and falsifications–such as the claim that Obama’s Kenyan grandmother said that he was born in Kenya—when she actually said right on the same tape that he was born IN HAWAII, and she said in another interview that the first that her family in Kenya had heard of Obama’s birth was in a letter FROM HAWAII.
Laying aside for a moment the overwhelming proof that Obama was born in Hawaii, the evidence that Obama was NOT born in Kenya is also very strong. There were a grand total of 21 people who came to the USA from Kenya in 1961. Of these only seven were US citizens. And the birther myth has always been that Obama’s parents went there and returned by plane, but only one person came to the USA from Kenya in 1961 by plane and that person was, wait for it, NOT a US citizen. And Obama’s father did not go to Kenya in 1961 either (making it unlikely that his mother did, since travel late in pregnancy was rare, and even more rare without the husband going along). WND has proved with a FOI Act request that Obama senior stayed in Hawaii throughout 1961.
And the Kenyan government investigated the “born in Kenya” story, and found that it was not true.
“Jon Chessoni, a first secretary at the Kenyan Embassy in Washington, can’t understand why his office gets so many baseless questions about whether Barack Obama was born in Kenya.
“It’s madness,” said Chessoni on Monday.“His father, in 1961, would not even have been in Kenya. When this matter first came up, the Kenyan government did its research and confirmed that these are all baseless claims.””
http://washingtonindependent.com/53654/forged …
Obama has a Hawaii birth certificate that says that he was born in Hawaii, in Kapiolani Hospital, and the officials of both parties in Hawaii have confirmed that fact. It is also confirmed by the birth announcement in the Hawaii newspapers in 1961, which were sent to the papers only by the DOH of Hawaii.
Obama’s birth announcement appeared in a section of the newspapers called Health Bureau Statistics. As the name indicates, and as the papers and the DOH also say, ONLY the DOH of Hawaii could send birth notices to the Health Bureau Statistics section of the paper. And the DOH only sent out those notices for children that it had issued birth certificates for, and in 1961 the DOH was not allowed to register the births of children who were not born in Hawaii.
Oh, and there is this:
http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2011/04/kapiol …
@ ehancock:
EQUS FECES . THAT IS WHAT BRUCE SAID ABOUT YOU AND YOUR KIND .
YOU ARE HORSE SHIT AND THERE IS NO REASON FOR LUCAS OR ANYONE ELSE TO PERFORM ANY ACT JUST FOR YOU . GO BACK TO SUCKING THE COCK OF YOUR FAVORITE LYING . FRAUDULENT , COMMUNIST USURPER AND IMPOSTER ~ badrak ” insane ” obumm,er .
@ ARNOLD CARL TAPP:
The “born in Kenya” story is the height of the loony side of the birther movement.
Laying aside for a moment the overwhelming proof that Obama was born in Hawaii, the evidence that Obama was NOT born in Kenya is also very strong. There were a grand total of 21 people who came to the USA from Kenya in 1961. Of these only seven were US citizens. And the birther myth has always been that Obama’s parents went there and returned by plane, but only one person came to the USA from Kenya in 1961 by plane and that person was, wait for it, NOT a US citizen. And Obama’s father did not go to Kenya in 1961 either (making it unlikely that his mother did, since travel late in pregnancy was rare, and even more rare without the husband going along). WND has proved with a FOI Act request that Obama senior stayed in Hawaii throughout 1961.
And the Kenyan government investigated the “born in Kenya” story, and found that it was not true.
“Jon Chessoni, a first secretary at the Kenyan Embassy in Washington, can’t understand why his office gets so many baseless questions about whether Barack Obama was born in Kenya.
“It’s madness,” said Chessoni on Monday.“His father, in 1961, would not even have been in Kenya. When this matter first came up, the Kenyan government did its research and confirmed that these are all baseless claims.””
http://washingtonindependent.com/53654/forged …
Obama has a Hawaii birth certificate that says that he was born in Hawaii, in Kapiolani Hospital, and the officials of both parties in Hawaii have confirmed that fact. It is also confirmed by the birth announcement in the Hawaii newspapers in 1961, which were sent to the papers only by the DOH of Hawaii.
Obama’s birth announcement appeared in a section of the newspapers called Health Bureau Statistics. As the name indicates, and as the papers and the DOH also say, ONLY the DOH of Hawaii could send birth notices to the Health Bureau Statistics section of the paper. And the DOH only sent out those notices for children that it had issued birth certificates for, and in 1961 the DOH was not allowed to register the births of children who were not born in Hawaii.
@ ehancock:
ehancock: “The ‘born in Kenya’ story is the height of the loony side of the birther movement. ”
Nothing looney about it. The Kenyan birth is one of the theories presented due to the fact that ObummO has refused to release documents/records to conclusively prove the theories wrong. Remember, you agreed in a response above, there was noway to prove whether a copy is genuine or a forgery without having the original to compare it to.
What I’ve notice over the last 4 years is how the Obots talking points have continued to evolve while mine has never changed since October 2008.
[ehancock] You and all the other sorry Obots continue hiding under the false label of anti-birtherism and don’t believe ObummO, or you wouldn’t be framing your arguments the way you do. Anti-Birtherism has to be the biggest joke I’ve seen yet on the internet. The whole concept is based on helping ObummO keep his original documents/records concealed from the American people while at the same time smear anyone who wants answers to the questions that have arisen over the numerous contradictions in his life story. A good example is your marxist-minded propaganda master, Dr. Con. This clown has spent almost every waking moment of his life over the last 4 years devising ways to cover for his beloved Hero, the Kenyan Wonder-Boy. His blog is nothing but a slobber-fest for him and choir to sing their love songs for ObummO.
Questions to ask ObummO during the debate:
1- Give a ball park figure on how many commie, socailist, and marxist friends you have?
2- How old were you when you 1st realize that you enjoyed homo sex?
3- How many more years will you need to completely destroy America?
4- Will you give all Americans a treat and recite the muslim call to prayer in your perfect arabic?
5- Why have you and your wife Mooch claimed you are Kenyan & Kenya is your home country?
PS- Feel free to add more to the list.
Re: “Nothing looney about it. The Kenyan birth is one of the theories presented due to the fact that ObummO has refused to release documents/records to conclusively prove the theories wrong. Remember, you agreed in a response above, there was noway to prove whether a copy is genuine or a forgery without having the original to compare it to. ”
Re: “the fact that ObummO has refused to release documents/records …”
The answer to that is just because he has not showed his school records (which Mitt Romney has not done either BTW) is not evidence that he was born in KENYA.
Re: “, there was noway to prove whether a copy is genuine or a forgery without having the original to compare it to. ”
Answer. And that is true. But the fact that you cannot prove a document genuine from the web image of it does not mean that it is false. The proof that it is accurate, is that the officials of BOTH parties in Hawaii (a) confirm that a birth certificate exists in their files; (b) say that they sent copies of it to Obama; (c) say that ALL the facts on the birth certificate that Obama has showed are accurate. There is additional confirming proof in the Index Data and in the birth notices sent to the newspapers by the DOH of Hawaii in 1961, and at the time the DOH only did that for births that it had issued BCs for, and it only issued BCs at the time for children born in Hawaii.
Re: “The whole concept is based on helping ObummO keep his original documents/records concealed from the American people while at the same time smear anyone who wants answers to the questions that have arisen over the numerous contradictions in his life story…”
Answer. If you are complaining that Obama has not shown his college records or passport files, the answer is that Mitt Romney hasn’t either. Neither are concealing anything, they simply do not have to show them. If you are saying that Obama has not released his birth certificate, that is false. He has, and the officials in Hawaii of both parties confirm that he has.
As for other alleged contradictions, there may be some. Perhaps you have forgotten but virtually ALL biographies written by politicians OF BOTH parties, and going back decades and decades, have tended to shade truth. Obama probably did this like everyone else. So you see, I certainly do not think that he is perfect. I think that he is normal.
However, the topic of this Web site is the claim that Obama was born in Kenya, and you continued that claim at the top of your latest posting. You said that it was NOT crazy to believe that Obama was born in Kenya despite (1) the Kenyan government saying that he was NOT born in Kenya; (2) the Hawaii government saying that he WAS born in Hawaii (confirmed by the birth notices that the DOH sent to the papers in 1961), and (3) the enormous expense, risk, and unlikelihood of such a trip.
That you said that the “born in Kenya” story was not loony is your problem. The facts show that it is loony.
MIT Professor: Scientific Poll; 73% of Republicans and 40% of all Americans are Birthers
Birther Report
10/3/2012
View the complete Birther Report presentation at:
http://obamareleaseyourrecords.blogspot.com/2012/10/mit-professor-scientific-poll-obama-citizenship.html
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WOW! A professor from the esteemed MIT has found that ‘40% of ALL Americans are Birthers’!
I believe that the extensive, FACTUAL information presented at the following link played a significant part in helping a large fraction of the American People to reject, or at least seriously question, the false ‘Obama Hawaiian Birth Narrative’.
Obama WAS Born in Kenya, Compilation of Support Data
http://www.wasobamaborninkenya.com/InspectorSmith/forumdisplay.php/9-Obama-WAS-Born-in-KENYA-Compilation-of-Support-Data
Now, if we can somehow get Congress to DO THEIR DAMN JOB and start a comprehensive investigation into the ‘Obama Birthplace Deception’, truth and justice may eventually prevail and start bringing a needed close to this entire, tragic chapter in American history!
@ Bruce:
And between 27% and as high as 50% of Americans believe in ghosts, including 18% who claim to have seen or felt one:
https://www.google.com/#hl=en&output=search&sclient=psy-ab&q=what+percent+of+Americans+believe+in+ghosts%3F&oq=what+percent+of+Americans+believe+in+ghosts%3F&gs_l=hp.12..0i30j0i22.4168.14344.0.16990.44.44.0.0.0.0.192.4280.32j12.44.0.les%3Beesh..0.0…1.1.8m-KXIb7cL0&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.&fp=4c814b5607df3525&biw=991&bih=592
ehancock wrote:
Possibly true! Wisely, ‘ghosts’ are usually not allowed to vote in presidential elections.
Regardless, this country’s top puppy-press-sanctioned scofflaws, Obama and AG Eric Holder, will try to have as many deceased souls as possible show up at the voting booths in November 2012. The Kenyan-born usurper is going to need all the help he can get from both above and below the ‘grass-line’ in order to successfully steal a 2nd term.
Why is Obama probably going to lose the election to Romney in November?
— Lots of reasons, of course, such as the obvious ones easily visible to all regarding his dismal performance at the Wednesday night debate in Denver. However, one very significant reason follows from the statistic I mentioned earlier about 40% of all Americans now being ‘Birthers’.
‘Birther Backlash’ will definitely impair Obama’s chances of re-election! It may even be THE CRITICAL DECIDING FACTOR if the race ends up being close (because of all those ‘ghost-votes’).
The ‘Lucas Daniel Smith, Obama Kenyan Birth Certificate’ is AUTHENTIC, Compilation of Support Data:
http://www.wasobamaborninkenya.com/InspectorSmith/forumdisplay.php/23-The-Lucas-Daniel-Smith-Obama-Kenyan-Birth-Certificate-is-AUTHENTIC-Compilation-of-Support-Data
Obama certainly can lose the presidential election. But he will lose on the issues and on Romney being a better candidate, not on the CRAZY idea that Obama was born in Kenya.
The “born in Kenya” story is the height of the loony side of the birther movement. It is based on forgeries like that of Lucas D. Smith, and falsifications–such as the claim that Obama’s Kenyan grandmother said that he was born in Kenya—when she actually said right on the same tape that he was born IN HAWAII, and she said in another interview that the first that her family in Kenya had heard of Obama’s birth was in a letter FROM HAWAII.
Lucas D. Smith, a convicted felon, claimed that he went to Kenya and got Obama’s birth certificate at a hospital in Mombasa. But Lucas D. Smith has constantly refused to show proof that he, Smith, had ever gone to Kenya. All that he would have to do would be to show a Kenya stamp on a page of a passport, but Lucas D. Smith has refused to do that, constantly, and he has also constantly refused to say why he will not show that proof. (Moreover, his “birth certificate” uses US date formats [month/day/year] and not the day/month/year format used in Kenya.)
Laying aside for a moment the overwhelming proof that Obama was born in Hawaii, the evidence that Obama was NOT born in Kenya is also very strong. There were a grand total of 21 people who came to the USA from Kenya in 1961. Of these only seven were US citizens. And the birther myth has always been that Obama’s parents went there and returned by plane, but only one person came to the USA from Kenya in 1961 by plane and that person was, wait for it, NOT a US citizen. And Obama’s father did not go to Kenya in 1961 either (making it unlikely that his mother did, since travel late in pregnancy was rare, and even more rare without the husband going along). WND has proved with a FOI Act request that Obama senior stayed in Hawaii throughout 1961.
And the Kenyan government investigated the “born in Kenya” story, and found that it was not true.
“Jon Chessoni, a first secretary at the Kenyan Embassy in Washington, can’t understand why his office gets so many baseless questions about whether Barack Obama was born in Kenya.
“It’s madness,” said Chessoni on Monday.“His father, in 1961, would not even have been in Kenya. When this matter first came up, the Kenyan government did its research and confirmed that these are all baseless claims.””
http://washingtonindependent.com/53654/forged …
Obama has a Hawaii birth certificate that says that he was born in Hawaii, in Kapiolani Hospital, and the officials of both parties in Hawaii have confirmed that fact. It is also confirmed by the birth announcement in the Hawaii newspapers in 1961, which were sent to the papers only by the DOH of Hawaii.
Obama’s birth announcement appeared in a section of the newspapers called Health Bureau Statistics. As the name indicates, and as the papers and the DOH also say, ONLY the DOH of Hawaii could send birth notices to the Health Bureau Statistics section of the paper. And the DOH only sent out those notices for children that it had issued birth certificates for, and in 1961 the DOH was not allowed to register the births of children who were not born in Hawaii.
Oh, and there is this:
http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2011/04/kapiol …
Is that all? NO there is more.
Birthers allege that the Kenyan government has hidden all documents that prove that Obama’s mother went to Kenya. Well, that is possible, but not likely—such things tend to leak. But what about the US government? Did it hide its records too?
That is because, obviously, if a child were born in Kenya she or he would need a US travel document to get to the USA. We simply do not allow a child to be carried into the USA without some form of official document. (Except some are smuggled across the Mexican and Canadian borders, but Kenya does not have a land border with the USA.) And a US travel document, such as having Obama added to his mother’s US passport would have required an application for that document in the US consulate in Nairobi Kenya.
That application would have been filed in multiple files, and there would have been communication about it with Washington, so it would be difficult to be lost or scrapped. And the Bush Administration was in charge of the US State Department for eight years until early 2009, so they could have found it, and if they did they would surely have shown it, and they didn’t.
So, for the “born in Kenya” story to be true, both Kenya and the Bush Administration must be part of a plot. Hawaii too, of course, and that would include the former Republican governor of Hawaii, now running for the US Senate. And the birth notices in the Hawaii newspapers that were placed by the DOH in the Hawaii newspapers (and only the DOH could put notices into the Health Bureau Statistics section of the papers) in 1961 would have to be fraudulent too.
And, heck, Kenya is about ten thousand miles from Hawaii, and the idea that Obama’s parents had that kind of money or would spend it on a trip while Obama’s mother was late in pregnancy (which was very rare in those days) and take the risk of stillbirth and Yellow Fever (which was endemic in Kenya, and a Yellow Fever shot is bad during pregnancy) is nutty in the extreme.
The bottom line: There is no proof that Obama’s mother went to Kenya and it is highly unlikely that she did. The Kenyan government and Obama’s relatives both say that he was not born there. If he were born in Kenya there would have to be US government documents saying that his family applied for a passport or a visa, and there isn’t any. There is no INS check in for Obama or his mother (which would normally have taken place in New York, since there were no direct flights, and those files are not missing), and the birth certificate and the confirmation of the officials of both parties and the Index Data and the birth notices in the Hawaii newspapers all show that he was born in Hawaii.
THE CONGRESSIONAL MEDAL OF FREEDOM
Awarded by Congress for: “An especially meritorious contribution to the security or national interests of the United States, world peace, cultural or other significant public or private endeavors.” (bold emphasis added)
I believe Lucas Daniel Smith, a true but as yet unrecognized American Hero, deserves, and I hope will someday be gratefully awarded, a Congressional Medal for:
(1) Risking his life to obtain a certified copy of Obama’s ‘CPGH Kenyan Birth Certificate’ directly from the birth hospital in Mombasa, Kenya on February 19, 2009. – http://wasobamaborninkenya.com/1961%20Kenyan%20Birth%20Certificate%20of%20Barack%20Hussein%20Obama%20II,%20Copy.pdf
(2) Experiencing, virtually on a daily basis for over three years, the emotional stress resulting from his personal association with that authentic U.S. historical document, due in large part to its inherent, life-threatening potential.
(3) Providing every member of the United States Congress a copy of Obama’s Kenyan Birth Certificate together with his explanatory ‘July 4, 2010 Letter to Congress’ cover letter. – http://wasobamaborninkenya.com/Letter%20to%20Congress,%20July%204,%202010,%20Lucas%20Daniel%20Smith.pdf
(4) Defending the authenticity of the document, in the face of massive and continuing ridicule, discouragement and disinformation tactics, on many occasions and on many diverse venues.
Re: “Defending the authenticity of the document, in the face of massive and continuing ridicule, discouragement and disinformation tactics, on many occasions and on many diverse venues.”
He could have showed proof that he had gone to Kenya IF he actually had gone to Kenya. He claims to have gotten the birth certificate in Mombasa Kenya. But he will not show proof that he had gone to Kenya.
As for him winning a medal, dream on.
@ ehancock:
e suck **** WINS A MEDAL FOR BEING THE MOST PERSISTENT AND IRRITATING obot ******* WE HAVE HAD THE DISPLEASURE OF KNOWING ABOUT .
DO YOU IMAGINE THAT THE SUPER ATTORNIES LEO DONOFRIO , PHILLIP BERG , VAN IRION , MARIO APUZZO AND LARRY KLAYMAN COULD BE MUCH MORE FAMILIAR WITH THIS CASE OF FRAUD , TREASON AND IMPERSONATING A PRESIDENT THAN YOU ?
WHY DON ‘T YOU GO BACK TO HELL FROM WHENCE YOU CAME , YOU SILLY **** .
ehancock wrote:
I loosely divide the world’s people into three broad groups regarding their impact on advancing TRUTH, LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL:
(1) Those who try to fight for it to the best of their ability!
(2) Those who basically ignore the concept and go about their daily lives. (This is, of course, by far the largest group.)
(3) Those who oppose it!
I’ll let each reader of this blog decide into which group they place themselves, if they care enough to do so.
Yes, ehancock –
I WILL go on ‘dreaming’, knowing full well that dreams like mine can not, and will not, come true in your beloved ‘Obama-Land’!
I divide the world into two groups: (1) those who are interested in an respect the facts; (2) those who ignore the facts whenever the facts tell them something that they do not like.
For the benefit of the first group, the facts are that Obama was born in Hawaii, as showed by his birth certificate from there, and the confirmation of the officials of both parties (including the former Republican governor), and the Index Data files and the birth notices in the Hawaii newspapers in 1961 (which were sent to the papers’ Health Bureau Statistics sections by the DOH of Hawaii and only by the DOH of Hawaii, and at the time the DOH of Hawaii sent out those notices only for births IN Hawaii).
There is no evidence that Obama was born anywhere else than in Hawaii, and the government of Kenya said that it conducted an investigation of the allegation that Obama was born there, and found that it was false. Moreover, Kenya is about ten thousand miles from Hawaii (there were no direct flights), and the idea that Obama’s mother would have gone there ALONE late in pregnancy is totally nutty. (WND has proved with a FOI Act request that Obama’s father stayed in Hawaii throughout 1961).
@ ehancock:
What part of ‘TRUTH, LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL’ do you, as a likely member of my ignominious GROUP #3, NOT understand or support?
I have found that those who work to oppose the ‘TLJ’ concept also, and understandably, tend to support MORE GOVERNMENT AND LESS PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY!
It seems that many of those who revere a FRAUD LIKE OBAMA, do so primarily because it makes them feel good about themselves. Apparently, they identify with a PRESIDENT of the country who is just as flawed as they are!
Thankfully, those of us in my GROUPS #1 and #2 will only have to suffer ‘Obama’ for another month or so, and vote the KENYAN USURPER out of office! Then we will need to work together on the long rebuilding process to restore our traditional and successful CONSTITUTIONAL REPUBLIC!
GROUP #3 – ??? — Many hard-core members will be prosecuted for crimes committed, convicted and sent to prison! — at least that is my ‘other’ dream!
Obama may well lose the election. But if so it will not be because of the nutty idea that he was born in Kenya.
The Ugly Face of the Obama Regime
Canada Free Press
Judi McLeod
10/11/2012
Excerpt:
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Perhaps most interestingly of all, using the Wayback Machine, if you go to barackobama.com’s first screen shot, and click down through the links to articles published about Obama, you will find an article from the East African Standard titled “Kenyan in U.S. Senate Race”, dated Jan. 19, 2004. In other words, OBAMA SAW FIT TO HAVE THIS STORY POSTED ON HIS OWN WEBSITE! – (bold and CAPS emphasis added)
Source: Wayback Machine
………………………..
View the complete article, including a screen shot of a page on Obama’s own website on January 19, 2004, at:
http://www.canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/50179
@ ehancock:
WOULD YOU LIKE TO MAKE A WAGER THAT obummer WILL NOT BE INDICTED AT SOME POINT FOR TREASON , FRAUD AND OTHER HIGH CRIMES AND MISDEMEANORS BECAUSE OF HIS ONLY AUTHENTIC BIRTH RECORD FROM THE COAST PROVINCE GENERAL HOSPITAL IN KENYA ???????????????
THERE IS AN OLD ADAGE : ” THE WHEELS OF JUSTICE TURN SLOWLY ” .
Kenyan Gov Officials, African Newspapers, Obama 1991 Bio, Obama Family Mbrs, and other Accounts Reporting Obama is Kenyan Born
Protect Our Liberty Blog
Cmdr. Charles Kerchner, USN (Ret.)
View Cmdr. Kerchner’s extensive collection of accounts reporting Obama is Kenyan born at:
http://www.scribd.com/collections/3248475/Kenyan-Gov-Officials-African-Newspapers-Obama-1991-Bio-Obama-Family-Mbrs-and-other-Accounts-Reporting-Obama-is-Kenyan-Born
@ ARNOLD CARL TAPP:
Re wager: Sure. However, unfortunately I do not believe that you would pay. Obama will not be indicted because, duh, he was not born in Kenya.
How do we know?
We know because:
(1) The Kenyan government did an investigation and found that Obama was not born there.
(2) If Obama were born in Kenya, his parents would have to get a US travel document for him to get him to the USA (we do not allow children to be carried in without documents, especially from Africa). And there is no evidence that they applied for such a document.
(3) There are no INS records for Obama’s mother leaving the USA or for Obama and his mother coming to the USA in 1961. Since there were no direct flights from Hawaii to Kenya or vice versa, such a trip would usually be through New York, and the INS records in New York are not missing, and no one has showed that either Obama or his mother were recorded by the INS. Surely if either there were an INS check in or a travel document applied for in Kenya the Bush Administration would have found them in the eight years that they were in charge, and they would have used them in the 2008 election. But they didn’t, and Bush actually was quoted as saying that he found no problems with Obama’s eligibility.
(4) Very few women traveled long distances late in pregnancy in 1961, and in Kenya Yellow Fever was endemic, making it a highly unlikely place where a pregnant woman would want to go. (And they did not have that kind of money anyway, such a trip would have cost tens of thousands of dollars in 2012 terms in those days).
(5) Only 21 people came to the USA from Kenya in 1961, and of them only seven (7) were US citizens, and not one US citizen arrived by air, and only one non-US citizen arrived by air.
(6) There is a birth certificate for Obama in Hawaii, confirmed by the officials of both parties (including the former Republican governor of Hawaii, who is now running for the US Senate), and this is further confirmed by the birth notices sent to the papers in 1961 by the DOH of Hawaii (and only the DOH could send notices to the Health Bureau Statistics section of the papers).
Re “reports saying that Obama was born in Kenya.”
The fact that a Kenyan newspaper, whose accuracy has never been showed, says that Obama was “Kenya born” and the ambassador who did not recognize what the question was, referred to Obama’s place of birth, is of little weight compared to the official investigation of the Kenyan government that Obama was NOT born there and the official birth certificate of Hawaii, confirmed by the officials of both parties and by the Index Data and by the birth notices in the newspapers that Obama WAS born there.
For Obama to have been born outside of the USA, Obama’s parents would have had to have:
(1) traveled to Kenya or some other country late in pregnancy at high risk and high expense (particularly to Kenya); (and Obama’s mother would have had to have done it alone, since WND has proved that Obamas’ father stayed in Hawaii throughout the year with a FOI Act request).
(2) got the child back to the USA without either a visa or his being entered on his mother’s US passport (which would have had to have happened in Kenya or any other country, and would be easy to find) and slipped the child past the US immigration officials who check documents or somehow had the files of the document and the applications for the document all sealed;
(3) lied about the place of birth (which is also unlikely because when you have done something interesting like give birth in a foreign country you generally boast about it. And it is also unnecessary to lie since for all purposes but the presidency a naturalized child is as good as a natural born one);
(4) gotten away with the lie despite evidence that Hawaii demanded witness statements whenever there was a claim of a birth outside of a hospital;
(5) got three Republican officials in Hawaii and several Democrat officials and the Index Data and the birth notices sent to the newspapers in 1961 ALL to lie about the fact that the original birth certificate in Obama’s files verified that he was born in Hawaii.
ALL of that would have had to have happened for Obama to have been born outside of the USA.
@ ehancock:
YOU ARE TRULY A STUPID AND STUBBORN **** . READ THE POST BY BRUCE JUST BEFORE YOURS AND THEN READ ALL THE ENTRIES . YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT ABOUT ONE THING ~ I WOULD NOT PAY YOU AFTER THE TRUTH IS FINALLY EXPOSED AND YOUR TRAITOR HAS BEEN PROSECUTED , BECAUSE YOU WOULD LOSE THE WAGER .
Re: “READ THE POST BY BRUCE JUST BEFORE YOURS…”
I did. NONE of these reports is strong enough to outweigh the combination of these facts: (1) Hawaii is ten thousand miles from Kenya, and it was a long expensive and risky trip and only a few women traveled late in pregnancy in those days; (2) The government of Kenya said that it investigated the “born in Kenya” claim and says that IT IS NOT TRUE; (3) The government of Hawaii confirms that there is a birth certificate showing that Obama was born in Hawaii, and this is further confirmed by the officials of both parties in Hawaii, the Index Data files, and by the birth notices sent to the Hawaii newspapers by the DOH of Hawaii in 1961.
Obama was not born in Kenya. He was born in Hawaii.
@ ehancock:
YOU ARE NOT ONLY A DAMN FOOL , BUT ALSO A DAMN LIAR , NAIVE ,
GULLIBLE , ARROGANT AND IGNORANT . WHO THE HELL DO YOU THINK YOU ARE TO MAKE SUCH A STATEMENT AS : ” Obama was born in Hawai ‘ i AND NOT
IN KENYA “????? WERE YOU PRESENT AT HIS BIRTH ?????
THE BIRTH NOTICES IN NEWSPAPERS WERE PRINTED NINE ( 9 ) DAYS AFTER THE SUPPOSED BIRTH . HIS FAKE , FORGED , PHOTOSHOPPED , PHONY PAPER WHICH WAS POSTED ONLINE DOES NOT LOOK ANYTHING LIKE THE TRUE BIRTH CERTIFICATE FOR THE NORDYKE TWINS ~ BORN ON THE SAME DAY .
Yes, the birth notices in the Hawaii newspapers were printed nine days later. That kind of delay was normal.
http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/obamabirth.php
NOTICE that it is a Sunday newspaper? That’s not an accident, the section ran in the Sunday newspapers. Obama was born on a Friday, so the earliest his notice could get to the papers was the next Monday, and the next Sunday newspaper was on August 13.
More importantly, only the Department of Health of Hawaii could send those notices to the newspapers. How do we know? We know in three ways. First because the section in the newspapers was called “Health Bureau Statistics. ” Second because the papers have said so. Third because the DOH has said so, and the DOH also said that it only sent out the notices for births that it had registered, and the law in Hawaii was that Hawaii was not allowed to register the births of children born outside of Hawaii in 1961.
So the birth notices in the newspapers is additional confirmation to the birth certificate itself and the confirmations of the officials of both parties in Hawaii, and the index data file.
And this: http://web.archive.org/web/20110722055908/http://mysite.ncnetwork.net/res10o2yg/obama/Teacher%20from%20Kenmore%20recalls%20Obama%20was%20a%20focused%20student%20%20Don%27t%20Miss%20%20The%20Buffalo%20News.htm
In the above article a teacher who was working in Hawaii in 1961 recalls having written home to her father, named Stanley, about being told that a birth took place in Hawaii by a doctor at Kapiolani Hospital (which BTW did exist at the time) of a child to a woman named Stanley.
And there is this:
http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2011/04/kapiol
And the government of Kenya said that it investigated and that Obama was not born there.
“Jon Chessoni, a first secretary at the Kenyan Embassy in Washington, can’t understand why his office gets so many baseless questions about whether Barack Obama was born in Kenya.
“It’s madness,” said Chessoni on Monday.“His father, in 1961, would not even have been in Kenya. When this matter first came up, the Kenyan government did its research and confirmed that these are all baseless claims.””
http://washingtonindependent.com/53654/forged …
What are the chances of Obama being born in Kenya, when:
(1) The government of Kenya says that it investigated and that Obama was NOT born there;
(2) The trip from Hawaii was hugely expensive and dangerous late in pregnancy (stillbirth and Yellow Fever in Kenya) and only 21 people came to the USA from Kenya in 1961;
(3) Obama’s mother would have had to have traveled to Kenya alone (WND has showed with a FOI Act request that Obama senior stayed in Hawaii);
(4) If Obama had been born in Hawaii, his parents would have had to have applied for a US travel document for him, such has having him entered on his mother’s passport, but there is no record of it having been applied for, and the files of applications for travel documents at the Nairobi consulate have not been lost or scrapped.
(5) There is a birth certificate for Obama in Hawaii, showing that he was born in Hawaii, and confirmed by the officials of both parties in Hawaii, and the public Index Data file, and the birth notices sent to the newspapers in 1961 by the DOH of Hawaii (and only the DOH of Hawaii could send those notices to the papers because the section of the papers was called “Health Bureau Statistics” [and the DOH and the papers have confirmed]).
Re: “WERE YOU PRESENT AT HIS BIRTH ?????
Answer. No, but that is the reason that birth certificates were created. They are legal proof of birth in a place, so a person does not have to be there at the birth site. Obama’s Hawaii short form and long form have been showed, and repeatedly confirmed. The most recent confirmation was to the conservative secretary of state of Arizona who accepted Hawaii’s confirmation that it has the original birth certificate and that all the facts on Obama’s published long form MATCH those in the file, and as a result, the secretary of state of Arizona ruled that Obama will be on the ballot in Arizona in November.
———– WHY DOESN ‘ T SOMEBODY DO SOMETHING ??? ——–
SOMEBODY IS DOING SOMETHING. “JUDICIAL WATCH ” & ” FREEDOM WATCH ” WERE FOUNDED BY ATTORNEY LARRY KLAYMAN , WHO BROUGHT IMPEACHMENT PROCEEDINGS AGAINST ‘ SLICK WILLIE ‘ CLINTON . JUDICIAL WATCH IS NOW HEADED BY TOM FITTON WHO AUTHORED A NEW BOOK , NEW YORK TIMES BEST SELLER :
” CORRUPTION CHRONICLES ” ~ ( obama ‘ s BIG SECRECY , BIG CORPORATION AND BIG GOVERNMENT ) , WHICH EXPOSES MANY THINGS ABOUT obummer .
OTHER EXPOSE ‘ ITEMS INCLUDE :
1 . Obama administration told cops to go easy on occupy wall street .
2 . Help stop the assault on honest elections .
3 . Sues Dept. of Justice & F.B.I. for records of F.B.I. director Mueller ‘ s secret
meeting with radical muslims .
4 . Obtained ruling in D . C . District court that Eric ‘ Witholder’ and D . O . J . were
involved in the scandal of voter intimidation by Black Panthers .
5 . WON the case in Pennsylvania requiring all voters to prove eligibility to vote by
showing a picture I . D .
6 . Filed a lawsuit against Indiana for not maintaining honest and true voter lists .
7 . Sued the state of Florida to remove 53,000 dead people from list of active voters .
8 . Sued obummer ‘ mis ~ administration ‘ under Freedom of Information Act for \
records on scandal ridden MF Global Holdings Ltd .
9 . Sued the FEDS for records on AIG bailout .
10. Judicial Watch investigates welfare voter registration driven by ACORN – FRONT
GROUPS .
ATTORNEY LARRY KLAYMAN CONTINUES TO FILE LAWSUITS IN SEVERAL STATES , CHALLENGING THE ‘ INELIGIBILITY ‘ OF obummer .
EVERYONE WHO READS THIS POST SHOULD SUBSCRIBE TO AND JOIN BOTH ” JUDICIAL WATCH ” AND ” FREEDOM WATCH “.
Re: “ATTORNEY LARRY KLAYMAN CONTINUES TO FILE LAWSUITS IN SEVERAL STATES , CHALLENGING THE ‘ INELIGIBILITY ‘ OF obummer .’
Obama is eligible since he was born in Hawaii, as showed by his birth certificate and the confirmation of the officials of both parties in Hawaii, and the Index Data File and the birth notices in the Hawaii newspapers in 1961 (which in those days were only sent to the papers only by the DOH of Hawaii, and the DOH only did so for births IN Hawaii). Every child born in the USA except for the children of foreign diplomats is a Natural Born US citizen.
@ ehancock:
YOU ARE STILL A DAMN FOOL AND LIAR . THERE ARE SEVERAL FACTS WHICH DISQUALIFY YOUR ‘ SUCK BUDDY ‘ FROM ELIGIBILITY THAT NEITHER YOU NOR ANYONE ELSE CAN DENY OR REFUTE :
1 . HIS FATHER WAS NEVER A CITIZEN OF AMERICA .
2 . HE RECEIVED MONETARY AID AS A FOREIGN STUDENT AT AN AMERICAN
UNIVERSITY .
3 . HE USES A SOCIAL SECURITY NUMBER ISSUED IN CONNECTICUT WHICH
WAS ACTUALLY ISSUED TO A MAN WHO IS NOW DEAD . YOUR BUTTHOLE
BUDDY NEVER LIVED IN CONNECTICUT .
4 . HIS MILITARY SELECTIVE SERVICE DRAFT CARD WAS FORGED .
YOU ARE A TRAITOR TO AMERICA FOR SUPPORTING THIS TREASONOUS ,
FRAUDULENT , LYING , INEPT , INELIGIBLE , INCOMPETENT , COMMUNIST WHO SUPPORTS THE MUSLIM BROTHERHOOD AND HAS ALLOWED / INVITED THEM TO INFILTRATE OUR HOMELAND SECURITY , DEPT. OF DEFENSE , DEPT. OF ‘ INJUSTICE ‘ , F.B.I. AND OTHER OFFICES OF TOP SECRECY .
THIS IS AN ACT OF HIGH TREASON AND HE SHOULD BE INDICTED AS A TRAITOR , AND SENT TO FT. LEAVENWORTH FEDERAL PRISON , ALONG WITH HARRY REID , NANCY PELOSI , JOE BIDEN , ‘ HITLERY ‘ CLINTON AND MANY OTHERS . ” IT AIN ‘ T OVER YET “.
Re: ” . HIS FATHER WAS NEVER A CITIZEN OF AMERICA .”
Answer: Yes that is true. So what? The meaning of Natural Born Citizen comes from the common law and refers to the PLACE of birth, and Obama was born in Hawaii. (As his birth certificate from Hawaii, and the Index Data file and the confirmations of the officials in Hawaii, and the birth notices in the “Health Bureau Statistics” sections of the paper all show.)
Re: “2 . HE RECEIVED MONETARY AID AS A FOREIGN STUDENT AT AN AMERICAN UNIVERSITY .”
Answer: That comes from an April Fool’s article originally posted on April 1, 2009. There has never been the slightest confirmation.
Re: ‘3 . HE USES A SOCIAL SECURITY NUMBER ISSUED IN CONNECTICUT WHICH WAS ACTUALLY ISSUED TO A MAN WHO IS NOW DEAD . YOUR BUTTHOLE BUDDY NEVER LIVED IN CONNECTICUT .”
Answer: The Connecticut SS number was caused by a data entry error. SS numbers were generated by the zip code of the applicant’s address. Obama’s address in Hawaii was in zip code 96814, and the zip code for Danbury, CT. is 06814.
Millions of people have multiple social security numbers caused mainly by data entry errors:
http://www.cnbc.com/id/38678753/How_Many_Social_Security_Numbers_Do_You_Have
http://www.securityworldnews.com/2010/08/12/20-million-americans-have-multiple-social-security-numbers-associated-with-their-name/
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-501465_162-20013733-501465.html
Re: “4 . HIS MILITARY SELECTIVE SERVICE DRAFT CARD WAS FORGED .”
Answer: Yes indeed it was. It was forged by the birther who posted it. (He posted it back in 2008 and claimed to have gotten it from the SS Administration earlier in that year. The SS Administration at the time was under the George W. Bush Administration, so the birther was claiming that the SS Administration forged it or that Obama was able to place a forged document into the SS files. That’s hardly likely. So, who had the means, opportunity and motive to forge it? The birther who posted it.)
HEY BRUCE . THIS IRRITATING A**HOLE ehancock IS REALLY GETTING ON
MY NERVES WITH ” ITS ” OMNISCIENT ATTITUDE AND OPPOSITION TO
EVERYTHING WE POST . ” IT ” IS VERY OBVIOUSLY A ‘ SUCKER ‘ OF obummer , AND FANATIC obot WITH EXPLANATIONS FOR ALL THE GREAT KNOWLEDGE OF THE EARTH . DON ‘ T YOU THINK WE SHOULD BAN ” IT ” FROM THIS BLOG ?
ARNOLD CARL TAPP wrote:
Let your heart not be troubled!
IMO, ‘ehancock’ is probably either a professional, paid ‘obot’, working for an Obama operative such as James Johnson, (see link below) or far less likely, has voluntarily made a sad, ignorant, personal decision to help the proven, KENYAN FRAUD, Obama, convert our Constitutional Republic into a radical-left fascist state.
White House operative heading ‘birther’ smear campaign?
One of the primary, standard operating procedures for ‘obots’ is to obscure and sow confusion in the ‘comments sections’ following online articles with either false or half-truth statements. Identical disinformation claims are typically made repeatedly, often with slight variation. The result is that casual readers of the article’s comments section can become misinformed or simply confused and demoralized.
Another purpose of the tactic is to cause concerned, conscientious commenters to waste their valuable time and patriotic energy in trying to refute the lengthy barrage of nonsense being regurgitated by the ‘obot’.
One intended goal of the obot’s work is to place their false or misleading comments at the end of the discussion, where they are most likely to be viewed by the casual reader.
Sometimes ‘obots’ work in tag-team fashion using a ‘good cop, bad cop’ routine if they can’t find any ‘real’ commenters to participate in their little game.
I suggest that you not attempt to play ‘obot checkers’ with these nefarious characters.
On very rare occasions, I have learned something useful from the activities of ‘obots’ so am willing to put up with their rather transparent disinformation tactics.
In a way, I am pleased to see our very own, assigned ‘obot’ visitors posting here from time to time. It dramatically proves that OBAMA’S RADICAL-LEFT FASCISTS consider this site to be important and the authentic ‘Lucas Daniel Smith, Obama Kenyan Birth Certificate’ to be a major threat to their continued existence!
I’m not paid by anyone, and the “born in Kenya” story is completely nutty.
@ ehancock:
STEADY MAN ~ EITHER WAY , THE IRRITANT IS STILL AN IRRITANT .
MAYBE ” IT ” IS NOT ON THE PAYROLL OF obummer AND HIS CHICAGO THUGS AND OTHER CRIMINALS , BUT THE RESULT IS STILL THE SAME . ” IT ” IS A MISGUIDED , GULLIBLE , NAIVE , FANATIC FOOL , WHO CONSIDERS ” ITSELF ”
TO BE THE HIGHEST AUTHORITY RE : badrak ‘ insane ‘ obummer .
OBVIOUSLY ” IT ” HAS NOT CONSIDERED THE TRUTH OF HIS TREASONOUS RECORD FOR MORE THAN 3 1/2 YEARS . IN HIS MIS~ADMINISTRATIIO , HE HAS ACCOMPLISHED WHAT NO OTHER ” OCCUPIER ” OF THE OFFICE HAS .
1 . UNEMPLOYMENT HAS DOUBLED
2 . NATIONAL DEBT INCREASED BY MORE THAN ALL 43 PRESIDENTS
BEFORE THIS IMPOSTER , TO $ 16,000,000,000,000 . SINFUL .
3 . ALIENATED OUR ONLY ALLY IN MIDDLE EAST ~ ISRAEL .
4 . FAILED TO HONOR OUR AMBASSADOR TO LIBYA AND SEND SUPPORT ,
RESULTING IN THE PREVENTABLE DEATH OF 4 AMERICANS ,
5 . ALLOWED / INVITED MEMBERS OF THE MUSLIM BROTHERHOOD TO
INFILTRATE OUR HOMELAND SECURITY, DEPT. OF ‘ INJUSTICE ‘ , F.B.I. ,
DEPT. OF DEFENSE AND OTHER TOP SECRET OFFICES . THIS IS AN ACT
OF HIGH TREASON AND HE MUST BE INDICTED AS A TRAITOR , AN
ENEMY OF AMERICA AND A THREAT TO OUR NATIONAL SECURITY .
6 . MUSLIMS ARE COMMANDED TO LIE TO NON MUSLIMS ( TAQQIYA ) ,
AND THAT IS WHY HE HAS TOLD SO MANY LIES AND RENEGGED ON
MANY PROMISES MADE BEFORE THE 2008 ELECTION .
7 . HE IS VERY OBVIOUSLY A SYMPATHIZER , SUPPORTER AND ENABLER
OF MUSLIMS IN AMERICA AND AROUND THE WORLD . HE FAVORED THE
OUSTER OF EGYPT ‘ S LEADER MUBAREK , AND HAS SENT $ BILION$ OF
OUR TAXPAYER DOLLARS TO SUPPORT THE MUSLIM BROTHERHOOD
TAKEOVER OF EGYPT ‘ S GOVERNMENT . HIGH TREASON .
8 . HE ILLEGALLY BYPASSED CONGRESS TO MAKE WAR IN LIBYA .
9 . HE PROMISED A ‘ TRANSPARENT ‘ ADMINISTRATION AND GOVERNMENT.
IT IS A FACT THAT obozo IS TRANSPARENT ~ WE CAN EASILY SEE RIGHT
THROUGH HIM FROM THE FIRST ARROGANT SPEECH .
10. HE WAS BORN AND RAISED AS A MUSLIM AND TRAINED IN SCHOOL TO
BE A COMMUNIST . HE HAS A MUSLIM / COMMUNIST AGENDA FOR
AMERICA . THIS IS THE ‘ FUNDAMENTAL TRANSFORMATION ‘ HE HAS
IN MIND FOR OUR NATION , AND ” WE THE PEOPLE ” ABSOLUTELY
REJECT AND DESPISE EVERYTHING HE HAS DONE AND WOULD DO .
THERE IS A PUBLISHED LIST ONLINE : ” 50 REASONS TO IMPEACH ( INDICT ) OBAMA . EVERY PATRIOTIC AMERICAN SHOULD READ IT AND KNOW THIS IS THE TRUTH .
CARL TAPP / AMERICAN ADVOCATE
@ ARNOLD CARL TAPP:
You shouldn’t ban ehancock. How can you learn or understand what the Obots are all about if you shut them down. I might not be posting to her but I’ve read every word she has posted. Even though she lies in the style of Herr Goebbels to cover for her Dear Leader, I find ehancock to be civilized with her words – something quite rare among Obots.
Bruce has done an excellent analysis on how ObummO’s lapdog propagandists operate.
Bruce: “One of the primary, standard operating procedures for ‘obots’ is to obscure and sow confusion in the ‘comments sections’ following online articles with either false or half-truth statements. Identical disinformation claims are typically made repeatedly, often with slight variation. One intended goal of the obot’s work is to place their false or misleading comments at the end of the discussion, where they are most likely to be viewed by the casual reader.”
A good propagandist will always start out giving you some elements of truth in what you’ll deem as common sense before leading you into the lies they want you to swallow.
From there it’s just a matter for them to keep repeating it often enough [Goebbels]. It also helps, like in the case of marxist-minded Dr. Con, to have a ready & willing useful idiot lapdog choir to repeat it.
I have some questions for ehancock – either later today, or tomorrow.
Bruce wrote:
It’s pathetically obvious that ‘Rambo Ike’ has been functioning for quite a while here playing what you describe as the ‘good cop’ obot role – LMAO!!!
@ Lucas’ Avenger:
YOU GUYS ARE BOTH RIGHT , BUT ebullshit IS SO SMUG AND KNOW IT ALL .
” ITS ” ATTITUDE OF ‘ MIGHTIER THAN THOU ‘ GENUINELY IRKS THOSE OF US WHO HAVE FOLLOWED THE UNINDICTED PERPETRATOR SINCE DAY UNO AND SEEN A MOUNTAIN OF EVIDENCE PRESENTED AGAINST HIM , NONE OF WHICH HAS BEEN REFUTED . ” IT ” IS TRULY obotic IN THE RESTATING OF OUR COMMENTS , AS THOUGH PRE~PROGRAMMED AND BRAINLESS .
YOU WILL NOTICE THAT THERE HAS NOT YET BEEN A REPLY TO THE LAST POST BY AMERICAN ADVOCATE ( 10 TRUTHS + 50 REASONS TO INDICT . PROBABLY THE COMPUTER IMBEDDED IN ” ITS ” HEAD WAS OVERLOADED .
@ Lucas’ Avenger:
Nah, forget what your brain is telling you, you’re not paranoid, it only seem like the cards are stacked against you. You’re really a 1/2 dozens cans short of a 6 pack.
Do you feel unwanted? No village has reported its Idiot missing – they must be celebrating.
@ Lucas’ Avenger:
I think you are wrong in stating that ‘Rambo Ike’ has been playing some kind of ‘Good Cop’ obot game with us here.
I looked back over some of his previous posts on this site, and also did a Google Search for “Rambo Ike” to see what, if anything, he may have posted elsewhere under that username. Although he seems to have posted rather extensively on various sites, I didn’t view any posts that would lead me to conclude that he was functioning in a devious manner.
I did find some posts that I think indicated ‘Rambo Ike’ was not convinced that Lucas had actually been to Kenya and obtained Obama’s BC. However, that is certainly not any reason to accuse him of being some kind of devious ‘obot’. Apparently, he has just not seen enough evidence yet to provide the proof he seeks, and that is perfectly acceptable.
I personally look forward to reading his interesting future posts here.
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ARNOLD CARL TAPP wrote:
How many birther cases have they lost?
” BIRTHER ” IS YOUR IDIOT WORD WITHOUT A MEANING .
THERE ARE SEVERAL REASONS YOUR SUCK BUDDY IS NOT ELIGIBLE FOR THE OFFICE HE HAS USURPED , INCLUDING ” HIGH TREASON , BAD GOVERNANCE , VIOLATION OF OUR CONSTITUTION , BYPASSING CONGRESS TO MAKE WAR , ENABLING MUSLIMS TO INFILTRATE OUR SECRET GOVERNMENT OFFICES , COMMUNIST TRAINING AND BACKGROUND , PATHOLOGICAL LIAR ( WINNER OF 10 PINNOCHIOS ) , AND A LIST OF ” 50 REASONS TO IMPEACH ( INDICT ) obummer .
IF YOU STILL WANT TO GIVE HIM MORE BLOW JOBS ~ GO AHEAD .
@ bob:
IT DOES NOT MATTER HOW MANY CASES THEY HAVE FILED AND NOT WON . THE IMPORTANT THING IS THAT THEY HAVE DONE EVERYTHING THEY CAN TO UPHOLD THE CONSTITUTION AND EXPOSE THE FRAUD . THEY ALL WANT TRUTH AND JUSTICE FOR AMERICANS , AND TO EXPOSE THE WORST S.O.B.
WHO EVER ILLEGALLY ” OCCUPIED ” OUR OVAL OFFICE AND WHITEHOUSE .
THE TRAITOR obozo HAS BEEN CHARGED WITH TREASON BY THE MILITARY , AND BY PLAINTIFFS IN FLORIDA ~ LED BY LARRY KLAYMAN .
——————- ” IT AIN ‘ T OVER YET ” —————
ARNOLD CARL TAPP wrote:
So, what does the indictment state? When was it handed down? Is Larry Klayman a prosecutor? Will the President have a military trial?
The President has not been charged with treason by any legitimate governmental agency. You are a liar. A bad one.
HEY BOOB , YOU CAN BOB UP AND KISS MY A****** . THE INFORMATION I POST HERE IS FROM RELIABLE SOURCES . ONLY YOUR SUCK BUDDY obummer AND HIS KIND ARE LIARS . I DON ‘ T MAKE UP ANYTHING .
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ARNOLD CARL TAPP wrote:
White House blasted for classified information leaks
Citizen grand jury accuses administration of using secrets to bolster political standing
WND
Bob Unruh
11/2/2012
Excerpt:
Members of a citizen grand jury meeting in Ocala, Fla., have produced a multi-count indictment alleging Barack Obama and Joe Biden failed to protect the secrets of the U.S. and its allies.
The group concluded “loose lips” led to the deaths of dozens of members of the U.S. military and the imprisonment of a Pakistani physician who helped locate Osama bin Laden.
“The information leaked was done so intentionally and wantonly without regard to, or concern for, the national security of the United States and whose only purpose was to bolster and promote Defendant Obama’s and Biden’s political agenda, and harm U.S. national security,” the indictment charges.
The examination of Obama White House activities over recent days was assembled by attorney Larry Klayman, a former Justice Department prosecutor.
The indictment explains it was Biden who last May at a social function in Washington revealed the identity of the military unit that assaulted the Abbottabad, Pakistan, compound where bin Laden was hiding and killed him.
There had been no prior mention of the identities, the citizen grand jury was told.
It was just a few months later, the document alleges, “following the release of this classified information, insurgents shot down a U.S. military helicopter during fighting in eastern Afghanistan, killing 30 Americans, most of them belonging to the same elite Navy SEALS Team Six that killed Osama bin Laden.”
At the May event, Biden boasted of the military’s accomplishment.
“Let me briefly acknowledge tonight’s distinguished honorees,” the vice president said. “Admiral James Stavridis is a, is the real deal. He can tell you more about and understand the incredible, the phenomenal, the just almost unbelievable capacity of his Navy SEALs and what they did last Sunday.””
The document quoted Kurt Tidd, vice admiral in the U.S. Navy, who said in a sworn Freedom of Information Act statement denying access to military information, “Although it is known that [Department of Defense] conducts military and intelligence operations in foreign nations, publicly disclosing a particular military or intelligence activity could cause the foreign government to respond in ways that would damage U.S. national interests.”
Klayman pointed out to WND that according to a U.S. Supreme Court ruling, the citizen grand jury is not a branch of the judicial, executive or legislative branches of government, but an entity to itself.
In the 1990s U.S. v. Williams ruling, the Supreme Court determined the federal courts lack the authority to require a prosecutor to present specific information to a grand jury, Klayman explained.
The opinion rejected the argument that the concept of “checks and balances” allows a court to “exercise supervisory power over grand jury proceedings.” Therefore, Klayman told WND, the citizen grand jury is considered the ideal vehicle to bypass all of the political attachments of the judiciary and cut to the chase in evaluating a president’s actions.
“Justice Antonin Scalia held … that the grand jury’s functional independence from the judicial branch is evident both in the scope of its power to investigate criminal wrongdoing and in the manner in which that power is exercised. Unlike [a] court, whose jurisdiction is predicated upon a specific case or controversy, the grand jury can investigate merely on suspicion that the law is being violated, or even because it wants assurance that it is not,” he wrote.
In the same commentary, Klayman explained that America’s Founders established the grand jury as an alternative to “violent revolution.”
It is a process by which “Americans themselves can enforce the law.”
“This is our only recourse to hold the president and his accomplices truly accountable for their actions.”
On a website set up in support of the citizen grand jury, he writes: “With government corruption and treasonous acts running rampant, particularly with regard to President Obama and his administration, many have asked what ordinary American citizens can do to legally mete out justice. … There is only one strong legal mechanism that can be invoked. That is the so-called ‘citizens grand jury.’”
Klayman, the founder of Judicial Watch and later, FreedomWatch, has throughout his career prosecuted government corruption, taking on powerful politicians on both sides of the aisle, including President Bill Clinton.
The jurors also adopted a statement regarding a leak of information from the Obama administration and how, “As a direct result of this leak, Shakil Alfridi, a Pakistani doctor who aided the Central Intelligence Agency in tracking down Osama bin Laden, was arrested and sentenced to 33 years in jail when the Pakistani authorities discovered Alfridi’s involvement with the CIA after an internal government probe.
“These leaks on national security coming from the White House undermine the men and women who put risks on their lives for us. This is not helpful. I suppose it could have served some short-term political gain, could have … told some nice story,” said U.S. Rep. Paul Ryan, R-Wis., now the GOP nominee for vice president.
“But let’s ask this question: If you’re a doctor in Pakistan and the American government asks you to help in the future and you see that, what do you think you’re going to do? How are we going to get people to help us in the war on terror if this is how we treat our allies in the war on terror?”
The White House decision to grant Hollywood access to the raid details – for the purpose of movie that apparently will portray Obama as a hero – also was raised as an issue.
“Days after the raid, Hollywood was invited into the White House so that they could receive a briefing on exactly how the raid took place,” said Fred Rustman, a retired CIA officer, “What kind of sources we had. What kind of methods we used. All for the purpose of making a Hollywood movie.”
On another subject, there are allegations that Obama “ordered the release of classified intelligence assessments and documents that detail Israel’s most sensitive military zones. Released were staging grounds (air base) and logistics in Azerbaijan where Israel Defense could easily strike Iran.”
“Israel, a United States ally, had a secret relationship with Azerbaijan or at least, it had. Azerbaijan had granted Israel access to airbases in its territory along Iran’s northern border for potential use in a military strike against Iranian nuclear facilities, a report published Wednesday in Foreign Policy magazine quoted senior U.S. officials as saying. ‘The Israelis have bought an airfield,’ an official said, ‘and the airfield is called Azerbaijan.’ … The Foreign Policy report by journalist Mark Perry, said the Obama administration believes the Jerusalem-Baku relationship is raising the risk of an Israeli strike on Iran. Senior U.S. officials have said that Israel’s military expansion into Azerbaijan is complicating U.S. efforts to defuse Israeli-Iranian tensions. ‘We’re watching what Israel is doing in Azerbaijan. And we’re not happy about it,’ one official said,” according to Klayman’s presentation.
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View the complete article, including videos, at:
ARNOLD CARL TAPP wrote:
Citizens’ Grand Jury Indicts Obama and Biden
Reuters
10/30/2012
Excerpt:
OCALA, Fla., Oct. 30, 2012 /PRNewswire-USNewswire/ — Larry Klayman, founder and chairman of Freedom Watch, today announced that President Barack Obama and Vice President Joseph Biden have been criminally indicted for having willfully released classified national security information concerning the raid on Osama bin Laden’s compound, U.S. and Israeli war plans concerning Iran and their cyber-attack on Iran’s nuclear facilities. The release of this information, among other harm to U.S. national security, resulted in the killing of members of Seal Team Six by terrorists and the arrest and imprisonment of American covert agents by Pakistan, such as the doctor who aided the CIA with regard to the bin Laden assassination. U.S.-Israeli war plans with Iran have also been compromised.
A true bill of indictment was issued by a Citizens’ Grand Jury in Ocala, Florida, who reviewed evidence and voted unanimously to indict Obama and Biden at 6:02 pm on October 29, 2012.
The authority for a Citizens’ Grand Jury can be found at http://www.citizensgrandjury.com.
The criminal defendants, Obama and Biden, will now be given notice of their indictment, arraigned and then tried for their alleged crimes.
Mr. Klayman, the Citizens’ Prosecutor, issued the following statement: “The Citizens’ Grand Jury, after having deliberated, yesterday issued a true bill of indictment. See http://www.citizensgrandjury.com It did the work that the government should have done, but does not have the integrity to do; that is hold these public officials accountable under the law. For far too long government prosecutors, who are put in place by politicians, have looked the other way as high public officials like Obama and Biden violate the law to further their political agendas. Now, as a result, the people must therefore exercise the rights given to them by the framers of the Constitution, and themselves take legitimate measures to restore the nation to some semblance of legality. This indictment (see http://www.citizensgrandjury.com) of Obama and Biden is just the first step in a legal revolution to reclaim the nation from establishment politicians, government officials and judges who have represented only their own political and other interests at the expense of ‘We the People.’ Obama and Biden will now be tried in a court of law and I am confident that they will be convicted of these alleged crimes.”
View the complete article at:
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/10/30/idUS138172+30-Oct-2012+PRN20121030
Bruce wrote:
Do better. I said legitimate source. A citizen grand jury does not have the power to wipe its own a**.
Arnold, you are a crank. Bruce, you are a crank.
Wow.
I hope you are part of a joke, because if you really believe then you are a joke.
don’t bother responding. I will never see this page again.
I didn’t vote for the current president( overseas ballot), but a part of me hopes he wins so that freaks like you can twist into a new level of crazy.
@ bob:
HEY BOOB , WE WILL NOT MISS YOU AND YOUR ‘ KNOW – IT – ALL ATTITUDE .
THE JOKE IS ON YOU , obummer , BIDEN , ‘ HITLERY ‘ CLINTON AND THE WHOLE CORRUPT MIS ~ ADMINISTRATION .
Please — ***VOTE FOR THE AMERICAN*** — November 6, 2012
http://giveusliberty1776.blogspot.com/2012/11/please-vote-for-american.html
Obama is an American. He has shown his birth certificate twice—short-form and long-form—and the officials in Hawaii of both political parties have confirmed the facts on it, and they are further confirmed by the Index Data (a public file showing the birth certificates that are on file that shows one for Obama under 1961) and by the birth notices in the Health Bureau Statistics section of two newspapers in Hawaii.
‘LADY LIBERTY’ – NOVEMBER 6, 2012 – abducted, shamed and abandoned
http://www.wasobamaborninkenya.com/InspectorSmith/showthread.php/3105-LADY-LIBERTY-NOVEMBER-6-2012-abducted-shamed-and-abandoned
Obama, who really was born in Hawaii NOT IN KENYA, as his birth certificate and the officials of both parties in Hawaii and the Index Data file and the birth notices sent to the newspapers of Hawaii by the DOH of Hawaii in 1961 all show, was re-elected President of the United States last night. He won both a majority of the popular vote and a clear majority of the votes of the Electoral College.
ARNOLD CARL TAPP wrote:
I just had to come back.
boob? are you really that pathetic? A 3rd grade insult is the best you can come up with? Enjoy the next 4 years. Bitter old fool.
@ bob:
>>>>>>>>>>> YES – YOU ARE A BOOB <<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>> BE AWARE ~ ” IT AIN ‘ T OVER YET <<<<<<<<<
” A nation can survive its fools , and even the ambitious , but it cannot survive treason from within . An enemy at the gates is less formidable , for he is known and carries his banner openly . But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely , his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys , heard in the very halls of government itself .
For the traitor not a traitor : he speaks in accents familiar to his victims , he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men . He rots the soul of a nation , he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city , he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist . A murderer is less to fear . ”
QUOTE FROM MARCUS TULLIUS CICERO
THESE WORDS WERE NEVER MORE TRUE THAN RIGHT NOW . THERE ARE TRAITORS IN OUR OVAL OFFICE , WHITEHOUSE , ALL GOVERNMENT OFFICES , AND AMONG THE POPULATION . THESE TRAITORS WORK TOGETHER FOR THE UNDERMINING OF AMERICA , OUR CONSTITUTION , AND THE PRINCIPLES ENDOWED BY OUR FOUNDING FATHERS . THERE ARE COMMUNISTS , MUSLIMS , ANARCHISTS , TYRANTS , THUGS , MURDERERS , POWER HUNGRY OFFICIALS AND OTHER GUTTER TRASH WHO HATE AMERICA AND WANT TO ” FUNDAMENTALLY TRANSFORM ” AMERICA INTO A COMMUNIST NATION INFILTRATED BY ISLAMIC EXTREMISTS .
THESE INCLUDE SUCH FOOLS AS ehancock and @bob ( aka BOOB )
ARNOLD CARL TAPP wrote:
Your all encompassing vitriol contradicts itself.
You are hatred. You are intolerance. You are a joke. The people spoke, and let fools like you know what it means to be American.
You are blind to the greatness of this country, because it does not conform to your feeble attempts to attack what you don’t understand.
The United States is solid.
You are not a patriot. You are a small-minded sore loser.
But, in the recesses of your hate-filled brain you know that.
@ bob:
” THERE ARE NONE SO BLIND AS THOSE WHO HAVE EYES , BUT DO NOT SEE .
” THERE ARE NONE SO DEAF AS THOSE WHO HAVE EARS , BUT DO NOT HEAR . ”
YES , I AM HATRED AND INTOLERANCE . ” WE THE PEOPLE ” ARE ALL THE SAME WHO HATE TREASON , FRAUD , LIARS , COMMUNISTS , MUSLIMS AND THOSE WHO TRY TO DECEIVE US , AS THE CURRENT MIS~ADMINISTRATION HAS DONE . WE FEEL SORRY FOR YOU FOOLS WHO BELIEVE EVERYTHING IS AS IT SHOULD BE , AND THAT AMERICA SHOULD HAVE A NATIONAL DEBT OF 16 TRILLION DOLLARS ( $ 16,000,000,000,000 ) . YOUR TYPE OF GULLIBLE , NAIVE SHEEPLE HAVE BEEN MADE BLIND AND DEAF BY THE NARCISSIST IN CHIEF AND HIS ILK . YOU HAVE NO MIND OF YOUR OWN TO LIVE WITHOUT THE PERMISSION OF BIG GOVERNMENT TO TELL YOU WHEN TO BREATHE ,EAT , SLEEP , ( NOT ) WORK , AND WORSHIP AT THE ALTAR OF A FALSE GOD .
YOU ARE NOT ABLE TO MAKE YOUR OWN DECISIONS ABOUT HEALTH INSURANCE , ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION , NATIONAL SECURITY , VOTER FRAUD , HOMOSEXUAL TEACHING IN THE SCHOOLS , SAME SEX MARRIAGE ,
FORCED MUSLIM STUDIES IN THE SCHOOLS , OR ANYTHING ELSE .
YOU AND YOUR KIND ARE IGNORANT , UNINFORMED , MISINFORMED , AND TOO DAMN LAZY TO CONTROL YOUR OWN THOUGHTS AND BE AN AMERICAN . YOU AND YOURS ARE GREATLY TO BE PITIED .
ALL 50 STATES HAVE FILED PETITIONS TO LEAVE THE UNION ( SECEDE)
THE ACTUAL GOAL IS NOT TO SECEDE , BUT TO SHOW EXTREME OPPOSITION, DISTRUST , DISLIKE , AND REJECTION OF VOTER FRAUD , LIES , THREATS TO NATIONAL SECURITY , BETRAYAL OF OUR FOREIGN DIPLOMATS AND OUR MILITARY , VIOLATION OF OUR CONSTITUTION , AND MANY OTHER HIGH CRIMES AND MISDEMEANORS . THE ” FOOLS ON THE HILL “- DEMONRATS , HAVE CHEATED ALL CITIZENS OUT OF FAIR AND HONEST ELECTIONS , A LEGITIMATE CANDIDATE , FREEDOM OF SPEECH , FREEDOM TO CHOOSE OUR OWN HEALTH CARE , FREEDOM OF RELIGIOUS CHOICES AND MANY OTHER RIGHTS . THE VILLAGE IDIOT obummer IS THE WORST ‘ THING ‘ THAT EVER HAPPENED TO AMERICA , AND SO ARE BIDEN , NAZI PELOSIVITCH , HAIRY RUDE , ” HITLERY ” CLINTON , ERIC WITHOLDER, VALERIE JARRETT AND EVERY APPOINTED CZAR . THESE FOOLS WHO WANT A COMMUNIST NATION MUST ALL BE DEPORTED TO SOME OTHER PLACE ,
OR CREATE THEIR OWN , AND TAKE EVERY MUSLIM WITH YOU , BUT GET THE HELL OUT OF OUR AMERICA .
ARNOLD CARL TAPP wrote:
Wrong. People have signed petitions, and claimed to be from all 50 states, to leave the Union. Not in a legal way. Twice as many people petitioned Macy’s to dump trump. You really are a fool . If you are so gung-ho, why can’t you leave? jackanapes?
@ bob:
Obots will have to hang their heads in shame from now on knowing their Dear Leader ObummO, the Kenyan Wonder-Boy, cut & run from the $5 million Trump Challenge. Sure glad he isn’t my messiah.
@ ehancock:
You’re still spewing your lunacy. In reality your whole argument is a hologram with no “original documentation” to back up your words. Remember what you agreed to above?: there is no way to tell if copies are genuine unless you’re allowed to inspect the originals to see if they match.
Bruce wrote:
Well Bruce, you are certainly entitled to naively believe that Rambo Ike is not playing a Good Cop obot game with us here, but at least consider the following:
You entered an interesting post on November 26th in response to the video – http://www.wasobamaborninkenya.com/blog/barrack-obama-eligibility/c-span-obamas-birthplace-kenya-is-not-amused-benjamin-pauker/
Your post cited hard evidence, given in the video, that powerful groups in this country know that Obama’s birthplace was in Kenya.
Suddenly, on a quiet Thanksgiving weekend night, when apparently all of the bad obots are off duty, Rambo Ike shows up to lead a trail of innocuous crumbs away from the damning evidence. He had not entered any posts here for about a month. Is it just a coincidence that he shows up now, exactly in time to dilute the hard evidence regarding Obama? – perhaps.
Of course, Rambo Ike uses cheap, throwaway words like “ObummO” and “Kenyan Wonder-Boy” in describing Obama to cover his actions.
Hard evidence regarding Obama includes:
Powerful people like Benjamin Pauker, senior editor with Foreign Policy Magazine, stating on a video that Obama’s birthplace was in Kenya.
Lucas obtaining a certified copy of Obama’s Kenyan birth certificate from the Coast Province General Hospital in Mombasa.
@ Rambo Ike:
Re Obama turning down trump’s “offer.” It is a good thing that he turned down Trump’s offer. It is not good policy for the president of the United States to do something for an offer of money, even for money that would go to charity. And it is common sense that if Trump had really wanted to give that money to charity, he would have done so without making an offer.
Re the birth certificate being allegedly forged. The issue is whether or not Obama was born in a foreign country, and there is no proof of that and the officials in Hawaii have repeatedly stated that they have Obama’s birth certificate on file and that it shows that Obama was born in Hawaii, and that is further confirmed by the public Index Data file and by the birth notices sent to the Hawaii newspapers in 1961 by the DOH of Hawaii, and by the teacher who wrote home about “Stanley had a baby” to her father, also named Stanley.
While I agree that only an examination of the official physical birth certificate can confirm whether or not it is forged, the fact is that Romney did not show the official physical copy of his birth certificate, only an image of a photocopy of it, and no one has claimed that his birth certificate is forged or that he was born in a foreign country.
Re “Lucas obtaining a certified copy of Obama’s Kenyan birth certificate from the Coast Province General Hospital in Mombasa.’
Answer. Sure he did. Want to buy a nice bridge to Brooklyn? IF Lucas did he would be able to show some proof that he had actually gone to Kenya—and he has refused to do so. As to the general idea that Obama was born in Kenya, the Kenyan government has said that it checked on that allegation, and that it is not true. Moreover, only 21 people total came to the USA from Kenya in 1961—so it would be highly improbable for it to happen, and the officials of both parties in Hawaii say that Obama was in fact born in Hawaii, confirmed by the Index Data, confirmed by the birth notices in the newspapers, Etc.
@ Lucas’ Avenger:
Bet you haven’t figured out why when you’re around other people they’re always wearing the same t-shirts that say “I’m with stupid”. Still no APBs from a village claiming you?
There has been “no conclusive proof” submitted publicly that Lucas was ever in Kenya to get that Birth Certificate – Bottom Line.
@ ehancock:
It’s humorous watching you & your fellow Obots create the most amazing mental gymnastics so you can lie to your self, each other, and the world in general. There is a malfunction going on in your cranial area that has you believing ” if me & my comrades say it enough times it’ll become the only truth”.
When you agreed that only an examination of the “original birth certificate” alleged to be on file can confirm whether or not the copy is a forgery then nothing else counts till that is done. In this situation a thousand court cases means diddly-squat. Why are all the Obots, your Dear Leader, his handlers, and the Gov’t controlled lapdog media so afraid to release all the original document/records being questioned? Fear of what?
Adding Romney birth certificate is a ‘red herring’ designed to help cover for Dear Leader. The issues are separate.
Trump has many charities. This was for your Dear Leader and gave him a chance to come clean with the American people. If I had been like you Obots, who have been kneeling in worship for years over your Dear Leader, and saw how he cut& run from the honorable offer made by Trump, I’d be so ashamed I’d never beable to show myself again on the internet.
@ Rambo Ike:
Since it was ONLY birther “experts” who have claimed that there is anything wrong with Obama’s birth certificate—and they have not proved that they are even experts and they CERTAINLY have not showed that they are fair and impartial—the fact that Obama was born in Hawaii is sufficient. And that fact is showed by:
(1) the short form and long form birth certificate;
(2) the confirmation of it by the officials of BOTH parties in Hawaii;
(3) the public Index Data file;
(4) the birth notices sent to the Hawaii newspapers by the DOH of Hawaii in 1961 (and only the DOH could send those notices, and it only sent them for births IN Hawaii);
(5) the teacher who wrote home, to her father, named Stanley, after hearing about a birth in Hawaii to a woman named Stanley;
(6) the absence of any proof that Obama was born outside of the USA—-and forged “Kenyan birth certificates” done by people who refuse to prove that they have even been to Kenya—are certainly not proof.
Simply because Obama’s enemies claim that his birth certificate is forged does not make it forged. The fact that Obama was born in Hawaii is evidence that it is not forged.
Actually, it is not a red herring to discuss Mitt Romney’s birth certificate. There is just as much chance that Mitt Romney’s birth certificate was forged and that he was born outside of the USA as there is of Obama’s being forged and his being born outside of the USA. In fact, there is considerably MORE chance of MItt Romney having been born outside of the USA than Obama, since his parents were a great deal richer, and could afford to travel, and Detroit is only a few miles from Canada, where Hawaii is thousands of miles from the nearest foreign country.
@ ehancock:
ehancock: “Since it was ONLY birther “experts” who have claimed that there is anything wrong with Obama’s birth certificate………..”
Wrong. Tens of millions of non-expert Americans have asked for the controversaries – that Obama caused – surrounding his original document/records to be released. He has refused. The short form is worthless [lacked necessary info] and until the original is released for document experts to compare it to the long form copy your other points [2 to 6] mean diddly-squat.
Simply because Obama’s [#@#&*#^] operatives claim that his birth certificate is [!)$+#=] genuine does not make it [!)$+#=] genuine.
Romney’s birth certificate is/was a genuine separate issue that needed to be dealt with just the same as Obama’s, but when you insert it into the issue of Obama’s then it becomes a red herring to create a smoke screen to divert attention away from the problems with your Dear Leader’s documents. Obots think they are so clever & resourceful.
Quit listening to marxist-minded Dr. Con & his pinko-commie cap wearing buddy Foggy – they’ve brainwashed your mind.
@ Rambo Ike:
Obama will be sworn in for his second term on January 21. There is not a shred of evidence that his birth certificate, which exists in the files in Hawaii and which the published image of has EXACTLY the same facts as the copy in the files, is forged. It would be stupid and unnecessary to forge a birth certificate that has EXACTLY the same facts as the one in the files. The officials in Hawaii have repeatedly confirmed that there is a birth certificate for Obama in their files and that the facts on it are EXACTLY the same as on the image of the long form, and this is further confirmed by (1) the public Index Data file; (2) the birth notice sent to the Hawaii newspapers by the DOH of Hawaii in 1961 (and ONLY the DOH could send birth notices to the “Health Bureau Statistics” section of the newspapers, and in 1961 the DOH only sent those notices for births IN Hawaii); and (3) the Hawaii teacher who wrote home to her father, named Stanley, after hearing of the birth in Hawaii of a child to a woman named Stanley.
Millions of Americans believe in ghosts, and some of them believe the repeated lies of birthers, but Conservative and Republican leaders do not believe the birther claims that Obama’s birth certificate was forged or that he was born in a foreign country. That group includes Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan and Ann Coulter and Glenn Beck and the National Review, and Gingrich and Santorum, and Sarah Bachmann and the National Review.
@ ehancock:
It’s hard to believe how thick you are. You believe, lacking original physical documented evidence, that the ObummO operatives in Hawaii are telling you the truth – pure hearsay. If what they say is the truth then there should be no problem letting document experts examine the original birth certificate. Until that happens you are no different that Woodman, who operates on theories, and it makes all your other numbered points are irrelevant. You claim Lucas Smith hasn’t provided the physical evidence to show he was in Kenya and I’ve agreed with you on that, but then you turn right around and want people to believe “your hearsay evidence” is the gospel truth.
You know for a fact ObummO has repeatedly throughout his life told some of the biggest whoppers that one can come up with. He needs to do it, just like any junkie who needs their fix, narcissistic sociopath ObummO needs to tell his lies. Was he lying when he claimed he was Kenyan-born or when he claimed he was American-born?
Above in this thread, Bruce posted an article from Canada Free Press showing your Dear Leader confirmed – while running for a senate seat – by placing on his own website an article from the Associated Press that showed he was Kenyan-born. He allowed that information to stand for approximately 15 years before changing to American-born when he decided to make a run for the Presidency – that is an undeniable fact.
There are many Conservatives such as Coulter, Eric Erickson who were/are afraid that they’d lose media exposure by being blocked from appearing on CNN & MSNBC if they didn’t go along. Their book sales and political ambitions dictated their positions.
You made a liar out of me. I stated previously that I thought you were many notches above the mindless lapdog choir on Dr. Con & Foggy’s blog sites who regurgitates their propaganda masters’s marxist pablum.
Re: “It’s hard to believe how thick you are. You believe, lacking original physical documented evidence, that the ObummO operatives in Hawaii are telling you the truth – pure hearsay. If what they say is the truth then there should be no problem letting document experts examine the original birth certificate.”
Maybe they should prove that 2+2=4 all over again. If there were no problem with 2+2=4, why don’t they prove it all over again? Answer” Because they don’t have to.
The fact that they officials in Hawaii have said that there is a birth certificate in the files and that it says that Obama was born in Hawaii, plus the Index Data, plus the birth notices sent to the Hawaii newspapers by the DOH of Hawaii (and ONLY the DOH could send birth notices to that section) is more than enough evidence. Oh, and there is the Hawaii teacher who wrote home to her father, named Stanley, after hearing about the birth in Hawaii of a child to woman named Stanley.
A birth certificate plus all that confirmation is sufficient evidence to show that Obama was indeed born in Hawaii. And, btw, Hawaii is THOUSANDS of miles from the nearest foreign country and women very rarely traveled late in pregnancy in those days.
The AP NEVER said that Obama was born in Kenya, and so Obama did not post it either. The “born in Kenya” story is the height of birther lunacy. The government of Kenya has said that it checked out the claim that Obama was born there, and that it is NOT true. Moreover, if Obama had been born in Kenya, he would have needed a US travel document to get to the USA, and that would have had to have been applied for at the US consulate in Kenya, and the application would still exist, and it would have been found by the Bush Administration—and it wasn’t.
@ Rambo Ike:
HEY IKE , THE BIGGEST LIES TOLD BY obummer WERE WHEN HE ATTENDED PUNAHOE SCHOOL IN HAWAI ‘ I . AT LEAST TWO OF HIS FELLOW PUPILS SAID HE TOLD EVERYONE HE WAS INDONESIAN ROYALTY OR A KENYAN PRINCE . WHY WOULD ANYONE BELIEVE ANYTHING HE SAYS NOW ?????
HE IS A HABITUAL , PATHOLOGICAL LIAR AND FRAUD .
Re: “Why would anyone believe what he says now???”
It is not what he says, it is on his Hawaii birth certificate that he was born in Kapiolani Hospital in Honolulu, Hawaii. And that has been confirmed by the officials of BOTH parties in Hawaii including the former Republican governor, a friend of Sarah Palin, and the public Index Data file confirms, and the birth notices in the Hawaii newspapers confirm, and so does the Hawaii teacher who wrote home to her father, named Stanley, after hearing of the birth in Hawaii of a child to a woman named Stanley.
HERE is a detailed discussion of the claims that Obama was not born in Hawaii and thatg Obama’s birth certificate is forged:
@ ehancock:
Here is my story, I knew Grandpaw Dunham, he offered to give me a bj claiming he could do it better then any woman. I know both Ann and bama senior were in Africa in Nov,1961. fast foreward to spring time 1962 They came back to Hawaii with baby bama.
I took paper of birth for Ann’s baby,looking much like the one Smith has posted to the US naval base and made 4 photo copies so she could get aid for her kid. You know free money. She planned on filing for this aid in Hawaii and stateside, Oregan, Washington.
Also to prove her claim the kid was hers to get a Hawaii live birth certificate she had many sign a petition saying this was her Child born to her.
Ann worked a lot at a dance club on Hotel street as a taxi dancer. On many friday and saturday nights she would make well over $150- sometimes more then $500 in one night. She liked to play the Colards as she called them. Ann would soak these colards all night for cash then run out on them. Picked her up many times when things could get out of hand if she had stayed till closing as these guys were all waiting for their tumble with the white girl. Now the father at a party would zoom in on any woman that was there, most imes he was so drunk and had hard time standing. He did alright as so many white girls thought he was going to ba a king in Africa.
I know so much more about this communist family and their cell activity in Hawaii and many of the names of the people in this commy cell at this time.
Bye Bye , have a nice day and have fun picking on my story of the true Bama history.
I’m not saying THIS ‘Richard Sundberg’ IS THE SAME ‘Richard Sundberg’ mentioned in the following two links, but it seems likely that he might be –
http://www.campaignmoney.com/political/contributions/richard-sundberg.asp?cycle=08
Tweets by RIKKY442000
Regardless, I suggest we just welcome, with good humor, another ‘good cop obot’ for ‘ehancock’ to playfully spar with for everyone’s amusement here on the venerable, Lucas Daniel Smith Blog.
@ RICHARD SUNDBERG:
RICHARD , YOUR STORY SEEMS AUTHENTIC AND POSSIBLE . WE HOPE YOU HAVE TOLD US THE TRUTH , BUT WE WONDER WHY YOU WAITED SO LONG
TO PUBLISH THIS INFORMATION . PLEASE STAY IN TOUCH AND KEEP US INFORMED IF YOU THINK OF ANYTHING ELSE .
Letter Faxed to Every Republican Member of Congress
Butterdezillion’s Blog
Nellie
12/27/2012
View complete information on the topic at:
http://www.wasobamaborninkenya.com/InspectorSmith/showthread.php/3519-Letter-Faxed-to-Every-Republican-Member-of-Congress-Butterdezillion-s-Blog
@ ARNOLD CARL TAPP:
That’s true: ObummO is an “HABITUAL PATHOLOGICAL LIAR AND FRAUD”. Even the Obots I’ve engaged on that don’t deny it.
One small correction: Classmates at Hawaii’s Punahoe school said the ObummO claimed he was an Indonesian prince and he was going back after he finished school to be a ruler, and told other classmates he was of royal Kenyan blood. Also he etched in the school’s sidewalk “King Obama”. Lmao, he was a narcissist even in grade school.
You have to give ehancock an “A” for effort. With so little to work with she has done her best to cover for her beloved Dear Leader. It’s something in the cranial area of the Obots that won’t allow them to examine the facts and see the truth.
It’s now official: Obama has committed felony forgery.
Sheriff Joe stated a 10 year old could figure out the document is a forgery. Exactly.
What is felony forgery? It’s the act of purposely altering or changing any information on a legal document with the intent to defraud.
Only question that remains: Should Obama serve the rest of his life in a federal prison or be allowed to return to his beloved Kenya?
Will Mooch be happy doing housekeeping in a mud hut?
Re Sheriff Joe:
http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/292780/conspiracy-again-editors
TODAY the votes of the Electoral College were counted by the US Congress.
Obama won every single one of the 332 Electoral Votes that he won in the general election. Not one single elector changed her or his vote from Obama to Romney. Not one single elector refused to vote or voted for a candidate other than Obama and Romney. The same thing in fact happened in 2008 and in 2012. Not one single elector in the 532 electors in the country in either 2008 or 2012 changed her or his vote because of the claims of birthers.
The reason is that (1) not one of them believes the nutty idea that Obama was born in a foreign country; and (2) not one of them believe the crazy birther theory that two citizen parents are required to make a Natural Born US Citizen since the US Supreme Court ruled in the Wong Kim Ark case that the meaning comes from the common law and refers to the place of birth.
These views are, btw, shared by such conservative leaders as Paul Ryan, Ann Coulter, Glenn Beck and the National Review. None of these people or institutions believe that Obama’s birth certificate was forged, and none believe that the officials in Hawaii of BOTH parties (including the former Republican governor) are lying when they say that they sent the short form and long form birth certificates to Obama and that the original birth certificate exists in the files of the DOH and that it shows that Obama was born in Hawaii.
ehancock wrote:
~~There you go again with ‘believe’. Has even one of them put forth a record that document experts can examine and confirm as genuine proof ObummO was born in Hawaii? Remember what you agreed to above in this thread: We need the original birth record.
I never agreed that the original BC has to be shown. Obama’s short form and long form BCs, the ones that Hawaii sent to him (and repeatedly confirmed that they sent to him and repeatedly confirmed the facts on) are sufficient, and in fact they are the official birth certificates. And in addition to the birth certificate and the confirmation of the officials of both parties, there is also the public Index Data file and the birth notices sent to the Hawaii newspapers by the DOH of Hawaii in 1961 (and only the DOH could send those notices, and it only did so for births in Hawaii). Also, there is the Hawaii teacher who wrote home to her father, named Stanley, about the birth in Hawaii of a child to a woman named Stanley.
Obama’s birth certificate is not fake. Only birther “experts” have called it fake, and they have not shown that they are even experts, much less fair and impartial. Those are two reasons why they are not believed by Ann Coulter, Glenn Beck or the National Review (or by Mitt Romney or Paul Ryan or Gingrich or Santorum or Huckabee).
One proof that Obama’s birth certificate is not forged is Obama’s short-form birth certificate.
Short-form birth certificates are created by a clerk reading the information from the document in the file, and filling out the computer form that generates the printed short-form birth certificate. The officials in Hawaii have confirmed that they sent a short-form to Obama. So, unless they are lying—and they were Republican officials–the only way that Obama’s birth certificate could have been forged was that it was forged in 2007 and slipped into the file just before the clerk looked at the file. That is not very likely, is it? And it is especially unlikely since at the time Obama was not even the candidate of the Democrats. He was still in the primaries at the time, and he was only a junior senator from Illinois.
And birther sites have not shown you these real experts.
Dr. Neil Krawetz, an imaging software analysis author and experienced examiner of questioned images, said:“The PDF released by the White House shows no sign of digital manipulation or alterations. I see nothing that appears to be suspicious.”
Nathan Goulding with The National Review: “We have received several e-mails today calling into question the validity of the PDF that the White House released, namely that there are embedded layers in the document. There are now several other people on the case. We looked into it and dismissed it.… I’ve confirmed that scanning an image, converting it to a PDF, optimizing that PDF, and then opening it up in Illustrator, does in fact create layers similar to what is seen in the birth certificate PDF. You can try it yourself at home.”
John Woodman, independent computer professional, said repeatedly in his book and in various articles on his Web site that the claims that Obama’s birth certificate was forged were unfounded.
Ivan Zatkovich, who has testified in court as a technology expert, and consultant to WorldNetDaily:“All of the modifications to the PDF document that can be identified are consistent with someone enhancing the legibility of the document.” And, by the way, when WND received Zatkovich’s article that said that he found nothing wrong with Obama’s birth certificate, WordNDaily simply did not publish it.
Jean-Claude Tremblay, a leading software trainer and Adobe-certified expert, who has years of experience working with and teaching Adobe Illustrator, said the layers cited by doubters are evidence of the use of common, off-the-shelf scanning software — not evidence of a forgery.“I have seen a lot of illustrator documents that come from photos and contain those kind of clippings—and it looks exactly like this,” he said.
Birthers’ claim that Obama’s birth certificate is false is well understood to be caused by their own motives—they hate Obama and would like to harm him.
And, it is simply nutty, truly nutty, to believe that Obama’s relatives were rich enough (they weren’t; Obama’s American grandfather was a furniture salesman, and his grandmother was a low-level employee in a bank in 1961) or crazy enough to send their daughter, late in pregnancy, at huge expense and tremendous risk of stillbirth (which were high at the time) to a foreign country—-when there were perfectly good hospitals in Hawaii.
@ ehancock:
March 8, 2013 at 11:58 am, ehancock fibs: “I never agreed that the original BC has to be shown.”
October 4, 2012 at 10:53 am, ehancock says: (quoting Ike) Re: “, there was noway to prove whether a copy is genuine or a forgery without having the original to compare it to. ”
October 4, 2012 at 10:53 am, ehancock answers her quote: Answer. And that is true.
~~Grin~~
Everything you says after “And that is true” is contradictory and conflicts with what you were agreeing to.
Maybe you were confusing it with the word manipulation you used in a September 7, 2012 at 5:31 am reply where you changed “inspect the Original” to “inspect the Official Copy”.
Re: “, there was noway to prove whether a copy is genuine or a forgery without having the original to compare it to. ”
That remains true. But it is not a statement that says that the copy has to be proven to be genuine or a forgery is it?
So I never said that the original has to be shown. IF there were a lawsuit in which it were claimed that the BC was false and it went to trial, the court could ask Hawaii to show the original. But no such lawsuit has gone to trial.
ALL that there are are the claims of the birther “experts” that Obama’s birth certificate is forged, and since the officials in Hawaii of BOTH parties have repeatedly stated that the facts on Obama’s birth certificate in their files are EXACTLY the same, that they match the facts on the BC in the files, no official or leader of the Republican party believes that Obama’s BC is forged. Ann Coulter and Glenn Beck and the National Review and John McCain and Gingrich and Santorum and Huckabee and Paul Ryan and Mitt Romney and the CONSERVATIVE Secretary of State of Arizona who asked Hawaii to confirm the facts on Obama’s BC and when it did, accepted them as proof of his birth in Hawaii——-ALL of them do not believe that the BC is forged.
So there is no need to look at the original in the files.
@ ehancock:
WHAT THE HELL . THE BIGGEST FRAUD , FORGERY , FAKE , FLAP EARRED MONKEY FACED JACKASS IS obummer HIMSELF .
EVERY MEMBER OF CONGRESS , SUPREME COURT , ALL OTHER COURTS , EVERY ELECTED AND APPOINTED OFFICIAL , THE MILITARY , THE MEDIA AND MANY MILLIONS OF AMERICANS ARE AWARE THAT HE IS A TREASONOUS , FRAUDULENT , INELIGIBLE , INEPT , INCOMPETENT , LYING COMMUNIST AND MUSLIM SYMPATHIZER . THEY ARE ALL JUST AS GUILTY AS THE ROTTEN STINKING PERPETRATOR .
@ ehancock:
Are you “comprehension impaired” or are you deliberately manipulating the original intent of : “there was noway to prove whether a copy is genuine or a forgery without having the original to compare it to. ”
It’s true you didn’t say that the original had to be shown, but you did agree that in order to determine whether the copy that is “claimed to have been made from the original” is genuine or a forgery one would have to see the original for comparison.
Then we have another problem. Hawaiian Health Director Fuddy claimed she watched the copy being made. How do we know that the original was being used to make the copy? Because she said so? For the life of me I can’t think of any other way than to let document experts examine what has been “claimed to be the original” make that determination.
Re: “ALL of them do not believe that the BC is forged.”
There you go again with what people believe. People believe alot of things – sometimes they are proven right and other times proven wrong. Ask anyone of those you mentioned where’s their proof and odds are they’ll say “somebody told me that”.
Re: “Birthers’ claim that Obama’s birth certificate is false is well understood to be caused by their own motives—they hate Obama and would like to harm him.”
I can’t speak for the Birthers since I’m not one as I explained to you and Johnny ‘I got a theory’ Woodman with a hypothetical on another site. It would be dishonest of me to claim being a Birther when I have other motives. Only harm I can visualize is getting Obama removed from the White House ASAP to put an end to the damage and harm he has caused for our country and patriotic Americans. As to the birthers I support their efforts.
A shout out to ARNOLD CARL TAPP: “2 thumbs way up on your last post.” Lmao
@ Rambo Ike:
Re: ” You did agree that in order to determine whether the copy that is “claimed to have been made from the original” is genuine or a forgery one would have to see the original for comparison.”
But, duh, I never said that it was necessary to determine whether the copy was made from the original.
And, why should it be necessary to determine whether the copy was made from the original when the officials in Hawaii have repeatedly stated that the facts on the birth certificate that Obama showed are EXACTLY the same as on the one that they sent to him.
Re: “Then we have another problem. Hawaiian Health Director Fuddy claimed she watched the copy being made. How do we know that the original was being used to make the copy? Because she said so? For the life of me I can’t think of any other way than to let document experts examine what has been “claimed to be the original” make that determination.”
Answer: Because she said so. Yes, because she said so, and because the two Republican appointees also said that they saw Obama’s birth certificate in the files, so all three of them would have to be lying if there was not a birth certificate in the files, and all three of them saw the birth certificate that the White House published and not one of them said that there was anything different about the FACTS on it from what they saw, and in fact the officials in Hawaii have stated in court filings that they checked the facts on the BC that the White House published and that they are EXACTLY THE SAME, that they Match (that was the word used) the facts on the BC in the files.
And, in addition to these three named officials, Fuddy and the two Republicans, there is the unnamed clerk who filled in the form that generated the short form BC back in 2007. For that to happen, the clerk must have seen a birth certificate in the files because the system requires that. The short form BC is generated by the clerk going to the files, looking at the document in the files and filling out the form that generates the short-form BC (Certification of Live Birth). So, there had to be a document in the files in 2007, and it had to say on it that Obama was born in Honolulu, Hawaii.
Re the birth certificate being allegedly forged and that birther “experts” are not making up the claims because they hate Obama. Well, one of the birther experts was Paul Irey, who claimed that Obama did not go to Columbia College even though Columbia University said that Obama really did go there and really graduated. What do you suppose motivated Irey to claim that Obama did not attend Columbia College–love?
And, BTW, one of the experts who says that Obama’s birth certificate is not forged is John Woodman, a member of the Tea Party, who says that he hates Obama’s policies, but that there is no evidence that Obama’s birth certificate was forged.
It remains highly irrational (to say the least) to believe that Obama’s relatives were rich enough (They weren’t. His American grandfather was a furniture salesman and his mother a low level employee in a bank in 1961, and his father came on a free flight) or stupid enough to send their pregnant only daughter ALONE (since WND has proven that Obama stayed in Hawaii throughout 1961) at huge expense and risk of stillbirth (and of Yellow Fever in Kenya) to a foreign country—-when there were perfectly good hospitals in Honolulu, Hawaii. (Oh, and the government of Kenya says that it investigated and that Obama was certainly not born there.)
@ ehancock:
Re: But, duh, I never said that it was necessary to determine whether the copy was made from the original.
Simply amazing the wording some will follow up with as cover to change the context of what they meant in previous statements. That’s slick but still no cigar. You’ve already agreed there is no other way – which makes it necessary.
Then you go back to the well worn out line that people told you this, and you don’t know if it was the original birth certificate that these people claim they saw or another that could of been slipped into the files.
Why would a clerk be in the files of the Hawaiian Dept. of Health filling out a form to generate the short-form BC in 2007 when it wasn’t until 2008 when the Obama operatives requested it?
Communications Director Dan Pfeiffer stated on 4/27/’11: “In 2008, in response to media inquiries, the President’s campaign requested his birth certificate from the state of Hawaii. We received that document; we posted it on the website. … To be clear, the document we presented on the President’s website in 2008 is his birth certificate.”
Could the reason Paul Irey said that is because noone claimed they knew Obama at Columbia? Really, I have no idea. Easy to clear up. Just like all the other records the one from Columbia needs to be released too.
Woodman told me at the time when I was posting on his blog site that it was “his theory”. Theory is not conclusive proof. Once you have conclusive/incontrovertible evidence/proof you no longer call it theory.
Your last paragraph makes alot of sense. You’d think that would be the logical place for his birth. So it makes no sense at all why Obama has spent 5 years hiding his original birth certificate & hospital records from the American people.
Something for you to think about: If Bruce and Arnold Tapp told you they seen the proof regarding what you have requested from Lucas, would you believe them?
Do you see the problem? Is it because of what you want to believe that determines what you’ll accept?
Re: “You’ve already agreed there is no other way – which makes it necessary.”
No I didn’t. If you read it again, I said that IF you had to determine whether the birth certificate was real or fake you had to compare it with the original. But I never said that you have to determine whether the birth certificate is real or fake.
The officials in Hawaii of both parties have said that the facts on it are accurate, and the birth notices in the Hawaii newspapers have proved that a birth certificate was issued to Obama in 1961. Only if you could prove that both are lies would it be necessary to determine whether or not the birth certificate is real or fake.
Quite a few experts say that it is not fake and the officials in Hawaii say that the facts on it are accurate, and there is no proof of Obama being born in a foreign country, and that is sufficient.
Re: “If Bruce and Arnold Tapp told you they seen the proof regarding what you have requested from Lucas, would you believe them? ”
Who are Bruce and Arnold Tapp?
The officials in Kenya say that they investigated Obama being born there, and he wasn’t. The officials in Hawaii say that there is proof that Obama was born there, confirmed by the birth notices in the papers and further confirmed by the enormous expense and risk of such a trip late in pregnancy.
Re: “Easy to clear up. Just like all the other records the one from Columbia needs to be released too. ”
Answer: No, the fact that Columbia University says that Obama attended Columbia College is sufficient. (And there are indeed students who remember him at Columbia and there is even an article he wrote for a student newspaper.) Irey’s MOTIVE was that he hated Obama, and he showed it by repeating the lie that Obama did not attend Columbia. Irey could not believe that Obama attended Columbia because of his hatred of Obama. Well Obama did attend Columbia and graduated from there, and attended Harvard Law School (as Harvard has confirmed) and graduated from Harvard Law School Magna Cum Laude (as Harvard has also confirmed). This is sufficient. The fact that people who hate Obama claim that these facts did not happen only shows that they hate Obama.
Re: “Why would a clerk be in the files of the Hawaiian Dept. of Health filling out a form to generate the short-form BC in 2007 when it wasn’t until 2008 when the Obama operatives requested it?”
Because, duh, you got your facts wrong. Obama requested it in 2007.
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http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3014096/posts?page=54#54
Maybe I should just pack up and go home to Kenya!
@ ehancock:
Re: No I didn’t. If you read it again, I said that IF you had to determine whether the birth certificate was real or fake you had to compare it with the original. But I never said that you have to determine whether the birth certificate is real or fake.
You stated very plainly on Oct 4th that it was “true” re: there was noway to prove whether a copy is genuine or a forgery without having the original to compare it to. ” Now you want to backtrack from that. Sure looks to me like you’re trying to apply some Orwellian “twist o think” on this. Lol
@ ehancock:
Re: “Who are Bruce and Arnold Tapp?”
That’s funny, because you’ve replied to both of them further up on this thread.
Re: “The officials in Kenya say that they investigated Obama being born there, and he wasn’t. The officials in Hawaii say that there is proof that Obama was born there, confirmed by the birth notices in the papers…”
Still working what the people said angle: “The officials in Kenya say..” & “The officials in Hawaii say..”
Hasn’t your Dear Leader marked Kenya to receive $millions$ in aid from American taxpayers? Hasn’t officials in Hawaii also said there is no Birth Certificate?
Conflicting statements coming from all directions causing controversy. Only solution is to release all records that would have any bearing on this birth issue. Your birth notices are generated from another source – a source that is hidden. It keeps Kenya in the mix as a possibility.
Are you paying attention to the latest Pastor Gallups-Mike Zullo videos at The Birther Report? CCP claims your “long form copy” is a forgery. It definitely doesn’t match with the director that claimed what she seen in the records was 1/2 typed & 1/2 written.
@ ehancock:
Re: “..the fact that Columbia University says that Obama attended Columbia College is sufficient.”
“Columbia University says” ~grin~ Release the records then we can end all this “who said what” nonsense.
Re: “The fact that people who hate Obama claim that these facts did not happen only shows that they hate Obama.”
And Bush, Clinton, Bush Sr., Reagan, Carter, Ford, Nixon, Johnson, Kennedy were also hated. Bush was hated so much that your ilk had rallies in cities around the country to assassinate him.
@ ehancock:
Ike- “Why would a clerk be in the files of the Hawaiian Dept. of Health filling out a form to generate the short-form BC in 2007 when it wasn’t until 2008 when the Obama operatives requested it?”
ehancock: “Because, duh, you got your facts wrong. Obama requested it in 2007.”
Going to go with you on this one. Dan Pfeiffer most likely lied to the American people. Obama operatives were in the Hawaiian Health Dept. records in 2007 putting something together as cover in case they got their party’s nomination.
Re: “Hasn’t officials in Hawaii also said there is no Birth Certificate? ”
Answer: No, no official in Hawaii has ever said that there is no birth certificate. A birther site said that the current governor of Hawaii said it, but he didn’t say it, and three officials in Hawaii (two Republican and one Democrat) have said that they saw the BC in the files where it is supposed to be and that the facts on it were EXACTLY the same as on the one that the White House showed.
No one has shown that Obama’s mother had a passport in 1961—but birthers believe that there is a realistic chance that she traveled to a foreign country and gave birth.
Perhaps one in a million American women made long international trips late in pregnancy in 1961—but birthers believe that there is a realistic chance that Obama’s mother traveled to a foreign country and gave birth.
If a child were born in a foreign country that child would need to be added to his mother’s US passport, and that change would have had to have been applied for, and no such application has been found—but birthers believe that there is a realistic chance that Obama’s mother traveled to a foreign country and gave birth.
Officials in Hawaii of both parties say that Obama was born in Hawaii, and so do the birth notices that in 1961 were sent to the “Health Bureau Statistics” section of the papers ONLY by the DOH of Hawaii—but birthers believe that there is a realistic chance that Obama’s mother traveled to a foreign country and gave birth to him there.
The Kenyan government says it has investigated, and that he certainly was not born there, and the full text of the grandmother taped interview shows that she repeatedly said that Obama was born in Hawaii, “where his father was studying at the time”—but some birthers believe that there is a realistic chance that Obama’s mother traveled to Kenya and gave birth to him there.
Yes, there was a data entry error that caused a SS number to be generated from the wrong state. Yes, the publicist got the fact that Obama’s father (who has the same name as Obama) was born in Kenya mixed up with the fact that Obama himself was born in Hawaii. But neither of those errors shows that Obama was born in a foreign country—and the odds against such a thing happening are GIGANTIC because so few American women traveled late in pregnancy in those days.
Here is a short link to most of the documents:
That shows the short-form official birth certificate, known as the the Certification of Live Birth, in detail.
Here is the long form birth certificate in the photographs taken by the NBC reporter Savannah Guterie, and which she stated she had felt the seal on:
http://www.google.com/imgres?num=10&hl=en&tbo=d&biw=1024&bih=607&tbm=isch&tbnid=foQm3EVc9VfpUM:&imgrefurl=http://obamareleaseyourrecords.blogspot.com/2012/06/savannah-guthrie-busted-again-hawaii.html&docid=iT_K26HN6hkJMM&imgurl=http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-dBWb0nPzjwY/T-0OEMY0QqI/AAAAAAAAFI4/xWAkN5UIo98/s640/SavannahGuthrieObamaLongFormHUWAII.jpg&w=600&h=450&ei=0PHlULPXBcrN0AH414HoAQ&zoom=1&iact=hc&vpx=4&vpy=184&dur=1419&hovh=194&hovw=259&tx=126&ty=85&sig=104976085004652425434&page=1&tbnh=143&tbnw=182&start=0&ndsp=18&ved=1t:429,r:0,s:0,i:93
Here is the confirmation that the short form birth certificate is the official birth certificate of Hawaii and the only birth certificate that Hawaii normally issues:
(http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204619004574320190095246658.html)
Here is the second of the confirmations by the officials in Hawaii.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2009-07-27-obama-hawaii_N.htm
Notice where it says that the document in the files VERIFIES that Obama was born in Hawaii. So, not only is there an official Hawaiian birth certificate in the files, but it says right on it that Obama was born in Hawaii. Hawaii has never allowed the Department of Health to issue a birth document of any kind that says on it that anyone was born in Hawaii unless there was proof that the child was born in Hawaii, and that is what the officials in Hawaii have confirmed.
And here is the confirmation by the former governor of Hawaii, Linda Lingle, a Republican, that says that Obama was born in Hawaii, in Kapiolani Hospital
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/right-now/2010/05/hawaii_gov_lingle_answers_the.html
And here is the statement of a witness who recalls being told of Obama’s birth in Hawaii, in Kapiolani Hospital, in 1961:
http://web.archive.org/web/20110722055908/http://mysite.ncnetwork.net/res10o2yg/obama/Teacher%20from%20Kenmore%20recalls%20Obama%20was%20a%20focused%20student%20%20Don%27t%20Miss%20%20The%20Buffalo%20News.htm
Here are the birth notices of Obama’s birth in the Hawaii newspapers in 1961.
http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/obamabirth.php
(And as you can see the section of the paper is called “Health Bureau Statistics”. Well, as the name indicates, and as both the papers and the DOH confirm, ONLY the DOH could send notices to that section of the paper, and it only did so for births IN Hawaii.)
Here is the Index Data file:
http://www.cleveland.com/nation/index.ssf/2011/04/in_hawaii_its_easy_to_get_birt.html
And here is what the government of Kenya said about the “born in Kenya” allegation:
“Jon Chessoni, a first secretary at the Kenyan Embassy in Washington, can’t understand why his office gets so many baseless questions about whether Barack Obama was born in Kenya.
“It’s madness,” said Chessoni on Monday.“His father, in 1961, would not even have been in Kenya. When this matter first came up, the Kenyan government did its research and confirmed that these are all baseless claims.””
http://washingtonindependent.com/53654/forged …
(And only 21 people came to the USA from Kenya in 1961, and of them only seven were US citizens.)